[WildMyth]

I know alot of you do comic style art. But how many of you actually completed one, even an ashcan?
Just wondering.


Francis I read something in your site about completing an ashcan that you worked on. Is there a way I can get a copy of it?

[Chapel]

I've only managed to do about 5 real pages of storyboards myself. However, I inked an ashcan that my friend was working on though.

[Sedone]

I think finishing a comic is one of the hardest things to do. I guess that's why I've never done it. It's hard to keep the quality of your artwork consistent for 24 pages. I have plenty of three page comics, though.

I think I'll post a page...

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[AcidDrone]

Well as much of an idiot as I am, when I was 11/12 I made a comic about 6 sheets worth they were just sideward a4 pages. anyway as strange as this will sound the comic was about a marijuhuana leaf that was trying to make the whole world stoned and this little dude that was trying to stop this crazy leaf.
It was cool though I had my friends looking forward to the next weeks issue heh.
ah im so strange *runs*

[Francis]

Oof. You'd have to blackmail me.

Actually, I will see if I can dig it up and scan it. It oughta be good for a laugh.

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[SewerRat]

Heh, you still have that comic, Acid? It would be an interesting read, if you could scan it.

[Sc00p]

I personally have finished 8 different 30 page personal comics, just done for fun...but that was so far back when I was even worse than I am now, so NO ONE shall ever see them :)

(not to mention they're probably trashed by now *shudder* they were SO bad)

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[Francis]

OK, here it is in all its naive, badly drawn glory. I wish I could say I've progressed a whole bunch since this was created, but I think I'm still on the steep part of the learning curve - I don't draw comics a whole lot these days, although I think I will add it to the list...

http://www.teamgt.com/francis/comic.htm

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[aquamire]

Forgive my ignorance, I havent dealt with comic book drawing much, but what is an ashcan?



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[WildMyth]

I've written this about three times now. Netcape for some reason kept on quiting on me. So I'm going to make this as short as possible before it quits.

-Francis
Thanx for putting up your ashcan. I hope you keep it up so other people could see it. How long do you think it will take you to finish the next one? Will it be done before the San Diego Comic Con? Is the new one your working on going to be Journeyman revamp? How many people are you working with? Is the next Journeyman (Gullen or Cullen_couldn't make out if it was a G or a C) going to be bold and hairless? I think you should add a discription page about the time line and the setting that the story is taking place.
Just a suggestion.


-Sedone
Put your 3 page comics up and let us have a look. I think the quality of the pages would stay if you had people pushing you and pointing out what your overlooking. Working in a group where everyone had a specific task like an assembly line works great. With a group you have people to push you when you need a little boost in what your doing. The hard part is finding people you work well with. Once you get a team that wants the same thing as bad as you do, it becomes alot easier.


-Chapel
Put what ever you have up too Chapel. Didn't your parents teach you to share.


-aquamire
Ashcan- historically, a comic ashcan was a "production dummy" or mock-up of an upcoming title used by the publisher to secure a copyright on the title. As such, only a handful of ashcans for a given title were made. In modern times, the comic ashcan has been used to give fans a preview of an upcoming title. Usually (but not always) an ashcan is somewhat smaller than a standard sized comic book, and may consist of pre-production sketches, character designs, and creator interviews.
*reference was taken fromDictionary of Comic Terms

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[AcidDrone]

SewerRat: yeh still got a few of them lying around somewhere, see what i can dig up.
kinda lame though but i was 12 :P

[Francis]

I'm not really involved with the Journeyman thing anymore, so I don't think that second one will ever be completed (at least by me). I do plan to attend the con, but it won't be because I want to pitch the property or anything. I actually worked with a couple of other people on that, all of whom basically came up with the story ideas.

I am working on a short X-Men thing that my coworker Mary DeMarle wrote for me. I will put that up when (if) it gets done.

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[CapnPyro]

Aquamire> In the 30's companies were in a big hurry to scoop up as many character names as possible. So theyd pull an old comic out of the 'ashcan' and slap a new cover on it and go trademark its name. Nowadays it means a one shot comic

I have a 4 page story i did a year ago or so on my site, and the lonely page below it was a sequential story I was going to work on. Now Im working on a 22 page or so darkness/spawn script I got, Im hoping to have 4 pages done for the comic-con

-CapnPyro-

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[aquamire]

Ah, I see. I've never really tried making a comic myself.. stupid cartoons when I was 13 or so, but nothing serious or even semi-serious. Thanks for the info WildMyth and CapnPyro.



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[kos.mandis]

I had done something like a comic for an essay, but due to the couple of days available it didn't turn out good... That and the fact that I hadn't tried doing any comic book pages ever(!)

http://www.redrival.com/kosmandis/comic1.jpg

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[Chapel]

I'm afraid to scan in what I have in fear of breaking my scanner.

[WildMyth]

-Francis
Could you post shots of your work as you progress with the short story X-Men project? Even if its just little bits. Or you could just show some of the sketchs of the characters that your going to be useing in the short story.

-Chapel
I had the same problem. Except with me I actually tried to scan them. When I tried to scan, it caught on fire and melted. Now I'm just a lonely boy without a scanner that likes me.


-Sedone
post up some of your work. Do something with those characters on your site. They look like they could become really good comic heros. I like the storyboard you have on this page. Post anything even if its not complete. Don't make me beg.

-kos.mandis
if you like doing it don't give up. You can get really good tips on improving in this forum. This place is packed with talented artist.

[Mozeman]

Here's the first 3 pages of a 9 pager I did for AC Comics (now defunct?) 7 years ago.

It's not that great and was an amazingly difficult job. I never really liked comic books all that much, but I needed a job. I did two issues for AC before deciding to go back to college for animation.



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[Fred Flick Stone]

nice work moze. Glad to see you haven't up and left just yet. This stuff is great work...what decided you to animate? Was the story telling too limiting?
Very nice sense of storyitelling. Were you the plotter of the pages? And, do you have a place URL, that has the history of Mozes art? I would love to see what you have done before the animation stuff. It is also neat for me to see other eclectic artisans, who have gone through so many changes in their career. We have something in common, and I like hearing what other people have to say about taking that path...
I like your response to my Synj question too. I agree with what you said, but unfortunately for me, if I help just that one person that listened, then I have helped an artist get closer to his ultimate goal in his career, and maybe we will all get to see some great work produced from this individual, whomever he be. I get a lot of satisfaction knowing that there is a place to ask about the real stuff in art, and there actually are answers. God knows how long I searched for it, I know guys who are much older than I, and still have no clue, but think they do. I think it is no fair to the next generations that their peirs left them hanging...And in my spare moments, I don't mind giving up some advice, beats sitting around watching the television, or something else unproductive that I might fall into after a 15 hour work day...
Moze, are you and your bro at the same email address?
Anyway bye...

[kurisu]

Groovy Mozeman!

But I have to write that your footer quote takes the cake!

[Mozeman]

Aliasmoze and I are in the process of setting up a site around one of our new shows. We have the same domain but not the same e-mail address. We haven't decided yet how much "behind-the-scenes" stuff we're going to put up. Perhaps when and if the show takes off, we'll do some "about the creators" kind of thing, if people want to know.

As for the Femforce stuff, I did all of the pencil stuff. I got the script and then designed the panel layout and did the pencils. The inking was done by a guy named Mark Heike. The most gruelling part was coming up with the layout and then fitting these dynamic characters and poses into those little boxes. My training and experience has always been film and animation where you only have one aspect ration to worry about.

I didn't switch to animation so much as I just went back to it after a brief flirtation with comic books. It was a challenge and I wanted to see if I could do it. I think if I had kept with it, I could have accomplished some interesting things, but it was much harder than it looked.

In any case, I like story-telling, whether it's animation, film, or comics. I don't really have as much of an appreciation of art for art's sake, which is why a lot of these lone still images, even well-done ones, don't appeal to me as much as a sequence of film or animation. That's what I found I wanted to be involved with. So that's what we're doing.

We'll be posting the pilot to our first show soon. We're adding the final touches right now. Then we'll be looking forward to some feedback.

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"If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?"

[Sedone]

WildMyth, I hadn't realized how bad these pages were until I dug them out of the closet. And you know what? They're going right back in!

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[Francis]

No fair! I posted MY old 'n uglies...

crap.

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[CapnPyro]

moze those pages are actually really good, the storytellings pretty easy to follow. im working on a 4 page sequential right now for the san diego comic con, ill post them up right before i go down

anyone else got any pages to share?

-CapnPyro-

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[Totally]

heh... i haven't done any recent comics or anything but... between 4th and 8th grade, I had a whole friggin world of comic book characters... I even would do complete comic books (22 pages).. they were all black and white and only the last few were ever inked, but yea... I've done a few comics in my day. Won a couple of comic book contests too.. Too bad I can't find that 5 page comic I did waaay back in 1995 that was actually completed and inked and won a comic contest judged by a couple of image comics artists from waaay back in the oldskewl days.

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[Belisarius]

I want so very much to complete a whole comic ,but weren't able to ,yet , because of the involved problems . As already said above , it is very difficult to keep your artwork consistent all the pages . Furthermore , every time I finished some pages I weren't content with the story or artwork anymore .
Anyhow , a comic is a big project , no matter how small .
I finished only two comics in my 20 years lifetime , one was about 16 pages , the other four .

[WildMyth]

Francis
I should have posted this a long time ago but wasn't brave enough to do so. Seeing yours and Fred�s post have encouraged me to show my not so good artwork. Just to make things fair I'm now posting my 5 year old uglies. So here it is my ugly. These were supposed to be the bad guys for a story for a comic that I came up with. The man with the sword is Oni a cursed ghost bond to this plane with the ability to control air elements and master of blades. The big guy is Brute, a midget with the ability to absorb any form of energy to increase size, strength, speed not intelligence but he is cunning. The weird looking guy with the gun is Outlaw an illegal crustacean alien bounty hunter with armor like outer shell for skin with the ability to materialize one form of matter to another.
Everything you can think of is wrong with this piece anatomy and so on. But I enjoyed creating them. so enjoy bashing it.







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[Francis]

Ain't gonna bash it. I don't think it's fair with old art.

Are you going to revisit this stuff? It's still pretty interesting - it would probably make a decent comic now if you reworked it. Or maybe just a pinup type drawing or something.

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[nightmare]

i think everyone's comics are great. i don't know how u can call any of them ugly! but of course the person who drew it will always find something wrong in it, even if no one else does.

[WildMyth]

I plan on reworking it as soon as I improve or when I find a team to work with on it.
I need to improve my skills, get down the basics, familiarize myself with anatomy, storytelling and perspective a lot better. I haven't tried to draw comics in a long time. I am just beginning to regain that interest. I will revisit them again as soon as I improve. Maybe you or anyone in the room could give me tips on improving as I go along.
The universe is to be called Unfit Earth. A universe similar to what Fred has posted up for a bimonthly theme.
In the universe I came up with had a little bit more of a twist and less of reality in it. For some odd reason the world began to change quite rapidly the continental plates shifted to form one continent called Pangea. While the changed occurred 80% of the world's human population was wiped out from all the natural disasters that came with this tidal wave of changes, hurricanes, plague, famine, earthquakes and so on creating a second Dark Ages. With Pangee's creation reality has been scared and deformed into a warped evolution and transformation. The story takes place when the human race has recovered form the birth of Pangea and has more than caught up with technology. The only problem now is that all the different countries are trying to reestablish and reclaim their territories since some have expanded, and some have been reduced from the change. The only difference with this war is that all the countries are now neighbors there is no across the sea fighting. With wars companies are now making the most profits from creating and providing weapons for war. Companies strong enough to overthrow the government. Mercenaries are now highest paid profession humanoids with special abilities. That's where the heros and bad guys come into the story.
I've written this story a long time ago and always wanted to tell in a comic format. I'll start practicing on pin ups and redesinging the characters a bit or just concept sketches of them.
Well here are a few more of the characters I will be working on.


MisChief leader of the bad guys, mechanically enhanced human with minor mental/psionic abilities.


Lattistone one of mother natures personality/guardians.



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