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Probustion
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 2:33 pm     Reply with quote
here's something i'm working on. i think i have the big shapes down, perhaps some more trees like the one on the right, probably around the house itself. i know the house has some persp. issues, i'll fix that later. my friend here says the house is too much centred, but i already changed it so it clearly looks off centre, not enough maybe?
also, am i on the right track with colors and light?

as always, c&c much appreciated!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:12 am     Reply with quote
Hey, Supernice stuff, I would really like to see this one finished.

What struck me when I looked at this painting is the water
running, it would help the perspective more if you would let
the water to the bottom right run more to the right, so instead
of taking the curve to the left after the bridge let the
water take down to the right, would help I think.
otherwise color and such looks great. :)

Keep it up
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:33 am     Reply with quote
matthew: after fighting with the other guy about the centered composition, we came to the conclusion the house looks better when placed to the left, spreading the water and the bridge out to the right, so that's what i'm gonna do, thanks!

i wonder if you recognised the waterfall on the left. it's one of my speedpaintings you commenced on. It wasn't my intention to fit it in this piece, but it's a nice opportunity to make something more out of a speedy.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:04 am     Reply with quote
Hey

Actually I didn�t notice the waterfall from the speedy there but when you told me I recognized it instantly, yea that�s super to use the speedy�s.
I use my speedy�s too, sometimes they go to the recycle bin but sometimes they are worth to take further.
I am really excited to see what you are gonna do next with this picture, so keep it up.

see you in the forum. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:55 am     Reply with quote
Keep in mind that Japanese are nature freaks as far as details and object focus where westerners are focused on conveying a simple messages. As a result Japanese focus on tiny details in their art far more so than the composition or purpose. Westerners, on the other hand, focus on a person's face or a building or something else simple then proceede to add complex textures and lighting only for the purpose of exaggerating the focal object.

So, if you want to do something Japanese then don't worry so much about the composition and where trees are placed. Focus on the specific details such as the curvature of the leaves of the tree, the ambient reflection of light on moving water over soft river stones, or the details of the buildings archetecture and the texture detail of its masonry.

When all the details are in then go back and add more details. A good place to start for inspiration is the art of Enayla minus the women at the front of her paintings. Notice the dynamic lighting in her backgrounds, and just attempt to add twice the sharp details all the way down to the pixel level and you will have something very Japanese. The more anal you are with your details then the better the image will look as long as you focus on the natural aspects of lighting, texture, atmosphere, shapes, and layerd object placement.

For the longest time Japanese did not have oils. All they had were Chinese watercolors and the invention of artistic etching/printmaking. If you ever practice etching you will become very anal very fast.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 2:03 pm     Reply with quote
i'm taking my time on this one. as you can see i work rather sloppy, but i guess it's part of the learning process.
Cheney: i wasn't going for the "traditional" Japanese look. i know little about that culture and their art. Just trying to make a nice picture.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 11:39 am     Reply with quote
Ah yeah feels like I have a good seat in the front row at a good movie at the cinema when I am seeing your picture, the update is very impressive.
Good idea to lose the tree you had earlier, I really like the cliffs to the right in the picture.

Looking forward to the next update. :)

are you gonna add people and such stuff too?

see you
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 11:46 am     Reply with quote
it's funny you say that about the cinema, i was quite inspired by Yanick Dusseault's lotr matte paintings.
i'm gonna add some japanese kimono on the bridge. and i was gonna bring back the tree too. the balance in the picture is disrupted otherwise, or at least that's what it feels like. also good to cover up some nasty mistake on the right side of the bridge, but i could fix that instead.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 8:05 pm     Reply with quote
Looks awesome so far Probustion! I can't wait to see the finished product.

cheers
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 2:18 am     Reply with quote
regardless, it still looks japanesy. espcially with that tree that you took out afterwards. good job so far, realistic and everything.

though, i'm wondering if the building is too close to the center and too symmetrically angled?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 4:15 pm     Reply with quote
it looks great to me, good to see some ppl add some realism around here finally. Lookin good, realistic.
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