[Briareos]

What are some of the other good art forums on the net? I'm finding Sijun being somewhat over run by beginning artists. Not saying its bad, but at one time everyone here kicked my ass and it kept the bar up for me. There are still great artists here. Aren't there like 3-4 other active forums? Bust out the links for me if you feel like it, thanks.

[nova]

here's a few i read/post at, some more than others

teamgt [conceptual art and design] http://pub51.ezboard.com/bconceptualdesign

lumental.com [a lot of the pro artists post here] http://www.lumental.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

cgtalk [cg talk] http://www.cgtalk.com

the drawing board [mostly graphic designers and illustrators] http://pub54.ezboard.com/bcartoonandillustrationparadise66133

ebonykeep [Enayla runs it] http://pub78.ezboard.com/bebonykeep

eatpoo [a lot of the guys from teamgt post here] http://www.eatpoo.com/phpBB2/index.php

all kinds of art http://pub102.ezboard.com/bdbmforum

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[ April 03, 2002: Message edited by: nova ]

[Briareos]

aha!, Thnx man.

[Frost]

"a lot of the elitists post here" .. thanks Nova.

[Snake Grunger]

We don't really need that kind of advertising, nova.

[ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: Snake Grunger ]

[sacrelicious]

The truth's a bitch, ain't it? Chill out.

[[Shizo]]

The coolest forums i found so far were... HDSR Forum (i think) where many druggies share their feelings about pot and buncha other weed. And Sex Toys forums where you read about some dude sticking plastic thing in his bum and saying how good it is

funny eh!

[Citizen Cow]

Schizo, Dance for me again....

[Impaler]

I love emoticons.

It's the idea of both Frost and SG clicking the little 'mad-face' icon to signify how mad they were.. Buahahaha.. oh man.

[Frost]

Sacrelicious: I was simply raising a point that even though people don't agree with something (how Lumental is run), doesn't mean they should throw stones at it every single time the topic comes by. Chill out I will fucking not.

Impaler: Fuck you asswipe. I spent over 2 years here helping people out to the best of my ability, and this is the shit I get back, with no fucking thanks from anyone. People like you who just have to put in their two useless cents on things that don't concern them really piss me off.

[ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: Frost ]

[roundeye]

change elitist with elite and youre getting warmer

[Impaler]

1) Nova never mentioned your name specifically when she listed Lumental. Broad statements, even when they are serious, are fallacious. You shouldn't get so angry about that.

2) This was a thread about worthy forums. Lumental was listed as one by nova. Not only that, but the very fact that she listed it as a noteworthy forum shows that the elitist jab was a sarcastic one, and merely a throwback to the anti-Lumental cliches Sijun had some months back. Why would she list it if it really were full of elitist fops?

3) Maybe you don't get thanks or kudos because you abhor them. I remember a certain thread from like, September that went on about how spectacular an artist you were. You denied the allegations out of modesty, a respectable but fearful trait. People may be afraid to spooge all over your ass because you don't appreciate it as much as other more egocentric persons.

4) I had no idea this thread was closed off to useless posts like mine and yours. If so, the author should have noted so.

5) You're still a welcome face on this forum, obviously. Shrug off the Lumental swipes and concentrate on what makes you happy, like accurately insulting my asswipe status.

[Frost]

Impaler: I get aggravated easily on that topic - best left alone, joke or not. Saying that the board is an elitist one can only bring pre-biased judgement on the members found there by other viewers. I wish people didn't do that. I apologize for the name calling, and thanks.

[[Shizo]]

whaa? what happened here? hehehe
*pours a bucket of cold water on peoples' heads*

[cheney]

Anybody know of a very upper-level design forum? There are many good artists here, but this is most entirely a painter's board. Although many of you are good at painting with a brush it seems many of you have no concept of design even with your paintings.

Seriously most of you consider any use of filters to be crap, but most of you cannot tell if filters have been used at all if used well. Sadly it seems many of the "leet" painters are so quick to blast any use of filters but seriously cannot design and a paperbag from an asshole more reasitly than it could be painted.

Anybody know of a high level design board with artists such as: www.chapter3.net www.rustedfaith.com www.2advanced.com www.deaddreamer.com www.dangeruss-industries.com

[Freddio]

keep it calm guys,

thats a good list of forums.

[Steven Stahlberg]

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Sadly it seems many of the "leet" painters are so quick to blast any use of filters but seriously cannot design and a paperbag from an asshole more reasitly than it could be painted.

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The second part's utter nonsense but I'm guessing it's more insult. Nice way to talk on a "painter's" forum, if you don't like "painters" maybe you should head on over to deviantart or toeng.com

[strata]

This isn't written to anyone in particular, but if you take offense; good. That means I'm talking to you.


How many times are we going to have this discussion? I mean, I just don't see what the point of blasting the lumental guys at every turn is... Are you THAT pissed off that you're not good enough to be invited?

Think of it like this, if you play soccer and you don't get drafted in the big leagues, does that mean that they are not allowed to have the big leagues just because you're not good enough to be in them? I mean jesus, if you want it THAT badly, WORK HARDER...

And as I've said before, where these people post is none of our business. We have no right to tell them they HAVE to post here if they don't want to. They don't have an obligation to any of us. If they want to post amongst the people they feel are their peers then why not just let them do that in peace?

I'd personally love to be able to post at lumental just to be a part of such an amazing gathering of talent, but I am very much aware that my skills are nowhere near the level required to post there, and I'm quite happy with that. It doesn't mean that I have to slag them off whenever I get a chance.

And I can promise you they're not going to shut down because people throw shit at them, on the contrary.

Just get over it, you're just making yourself look like an idiot.

[cheney]

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The second part's utter nonsense but I'm guessing it's more insult. Nice way to talk on a "painter's" forum, if you don't like "painters" maybe you should head on over to deviantart or toeng.com

I never claimed to dislike painters. But, I do dislike the condesending and often ignorant attitudes that I have seen blasted here so frequently. Its not so bad that many painters carry a superior attitude of their "leet" skills, but its another thing when they throw that attidute around while often failing in the most infantile aspects of what they claim to be so superior at. Like an ego complex made redundant by hypocracy.

I have been at deviantART for a very long time, but am looking for something more refined. I am growing tired of deviantART for the same reasons those lumental guys grew tired of Sijun.

[balistic]

Eatpoo is my favorite new forum. Very relaxed and sarcastic, but with a bunch of superfly artists and no membership applications.

Its not for the easily-offended though . . . there are some jackasses over there that are easily on par with yours truly

I still love Sijun . . . but I think Eatpoo is unique enough in culture that it can coexist without competing.
www.eatpoo.com

[Dr. Bang]

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Originally posted by balistic:
Eatpoo is my favorite new forum. Very relaxed and sarcastic, but with a bunch of superfly artists and no membership applications.

Its not for the easily-offended though . . . there are some jackasses over there that are easily on par with yours truly

I still love Sijun . . . but I think Eatpoo is unique enough in culture that it can coexist without competing.
www.eatpoo.com

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Not that i'm biased or anything, but i second that!

[Steven Stahlberg]

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I never claimed to dislike painters.

Ok.

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many painters carry a superior attitude of their "leet" skills,
throw that attidute around while often failing in the most infantile aspects of what they claim to be so superior at.

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Hm, that's pretty harsh, I haven't seen much of that around here... maybe I just missed it?

[cheney]

I have only been here a few weeks, but I have seen alot of a blasting of design skills asthough they are completely inferior to painting skills. I have heard artists on this board blast all use of filters as though their painting skills were so superior only to turn and talk about using different types of blurs and other filters to modify their paintings.

Its there if you see it. The reason I call it hypocracy is that many of the paintings I have seen here have execellent technique, but lack in the most fundemental of design concepts.

I suppose what this comes down to is that many on here are quick to blast the use of filters or strictly based design skills, but cannot produce anything in accordance with these styles even on the most basic levels. Tell many painters on here to make completed pieces of art that is not a portrait or landscape and they are fucked out of ideas.

That is hypocracy.

[Subhuman]

But Eatpoo is still my fav. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[Lunatique]

cheney-- Based on my observations throughout the years, it's more likely for a painter to turn out good designs than a designer to turn out a good painting. This is not to belittle designers, but just an observation.

I think the reason why people put more importance on paintings than design is because most people perceive design as purely commercialism, while they see painting as both personal and commercial. It is also more likely for a painter to incorporate design elements than a designer to incorporate techniques of a painter.

Here's reality: Name one designer that has gained the recognition, prestige, respect, fame, social relevance, and historical status as well known painters throughout human history. This is not an argument, but a fact.

I for one am a fan of design. I've seen incredible political, social, and personal statements made with design techniques, and Art Nouveau, an art period I'm a fan of, incorporates design heavily. I think what they did is one of the most brilliant and interesting styles in art history.

[cheney]

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Here's reality: Name one designer that has gained the recognition, prestige, respect, fame, social relevance, and historical status as well known painters throughout human history. This is not an argument, but a fact.

20th Century Artists:
Frank Lloyd Wright - Archetecture
Pablo Picaso - Cubism
MC Escher - Illusionist, Mathmatician

[jr]

give me a break man.

[roundeye]

yeah but designer have a WAY bigger audience and impact on EVERYONES everyday life. pianters do not. so designers are underappreciated, so what? so is fine art compared to music if youre talking houshold names. heres another 20th century designer - ralph lauren.

[cheney]

not according to lunatique

[cheney]

ROFL