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Kuzya · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 12:00 am

hello, well did use some picture reference for positioning .. comments critqs..

thanks...

here is a dressed version.

and here is undressed ..

[ November 20, 2001: Message edited by: Kuzya ]

Kuzya · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 1:32 pm

is it that bad that no one even comments on it? =/

Bob the Newt · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 1:38 pm

Kuzya · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 2:59 pm

aight then =/ ignore the post everyone

Isric · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:23 pm

Alright! way to be ambitious! This image is odd, the pixled background makes me think the image isn't finished, and the figure looks like its not finished (a few messy edges). The expression, while interesting and diferent, is handled a little odly, I wouldn't feel bad about editing it a bit. Why the nudity though? she looks much better with her shirt on

BooMSticK · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2001 1:58 am

Hmm... I dont think this is bad at all. To me it could have been a very nice image. But where you failed was not putting anything of yourself into this painting. It looks very much like a photocopy of a photograph with no, or very little thought on the subject.
Try focusing more on what you want to portray! Using photos is no bad thing at all and you will learn from it. But if you're not putting your mind into each paint'over', then why bother anyway???
To illustrate what I mean look at my scribble below. Its based on your painting, but i have empathized several things - hands, face, body and tried a more graphic approach. Try putting this scribble over your .jpg as a multiply layer to see the difference hands on.
I hope this makes at least a bit of sense, but if you think I'm totally off in my comments, then I'll gladly shut up!

,Boom

Kuzya · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2001 2:24 am

thanks alot for the input .. it was very helpful and made me understand alot .. which i am gonna redo that image and post it again within next few days .. and isic .. well nudity was for well myself .. i wanted to see if i could make a gurl from a photo reference nekked ..

just being a guy thats all..

Kuzya · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2001 5:04 am

hello there once again .. well took some time tonight to follow up some of what been told above ..and well did learned alot from it here is some result ..

and ofcourse undressed

thanks

oscar · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2001 5:18 am

I'd love to see the ref pic

The nekkid one, that is.

I like the second pic a lot more than the first though. Scary

Kuzya · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2001 12:49 am

thanks ..

there is no refference of her nekked .. only with her clothes on... and ref pic is really small too ..but i will post it later on tonight ...

and i think what makes her look scarry is that her mouth is pointed down .. instead of straight how i did in 1st one .. so it makes her skull longer near her chin..

edit:

well here is her reference photo .. thats the bigest size i could get of her .. so 1st drawing was about twise as size of her and 2nd one was made on 2000pixes height and 900 something wide ..

shank u

[ November 21, 2001: Message edited by: Kuzya ]

Shadowman · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2001 12:50 am

Kuzya,
My suggestion is to go back to the original and just fix the backgrounds so they are not so pixlated and smooth the hard edges. When you are done with that just touchup the face a bit (like the ear area) and add more contrast to the shadows in skin tone.
I can see that these images are done on layers which is ok but just don't make it obvious.
I just think that the fixed images look like cookie cut outs with gradient backgrounds and the originals just need a little touching up to be fixed.

Kuzya · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2001 12:58 am

thanks shadow man .. both of you and boomstick have a really good point .. so i will keep both versions and work on both of em for the final result ..

thanks all

BooMSticK · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2001 3:31 am

hi again
I think the second paintings are much better. They doesnt feel like a photocopy like the first version did. But somehow you seem to have lost abit of form going in a more graphic direction. I admit that this can be very difficult combining graphic with form. Just think to yourself that the same techinques still apply when defining form. Especially keep in mind where your lightsource is located!
,Boom

taff · member Member # Joined: 04 Nov 2001 Posts: 140

Kuzya, the second two Pics are much better! They have much more character.. though i do not like the wierd impressions on her face.

The sample is strange, I thought, that you messed up with the hand, until I saw the sample.. weird girl, no rather a weird photo! (no offence, *g..)

joachim, turned out nicely for your first try in painter!

Joachim · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2001 12:36 am

Hey,
Don't we all need to touch this picture

I like it, I also think boomstick has a good point and a very nice example.
Something else that would be very nice as well is to play more with the colors and light as well. Now, you have very much monochromic color gradients separately from each others on the different areas. But, I think it could be nice if you varied the skin colors, to make it more interessting to look at. Also, changing the light a bit, since this is a ver flash light image, would be nice.
I played a bit around it with painter, but bear with me, it's the first time I try this program, since I want to learn it.

BooMSticK · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2001 1:07 am

Very nice joachim. I was going to comment on colorvariation too, but i just thought that would be too big a mouthfull - trying to do all that stuff. Hell, I dont even get it right myself!

Nice try for a first timer! I love Painter myself, and I think it will suit you perfectly...
One thing I dont agree on, Joachim is your comment on the 'flashlight' lightsourcing in the photgraph and that it should be avoided. I actually believe it's very useful and effective for some situations at least. Getting it too work is no harder than other lightsituations... Carefull planning and thinking will get you anywhere...
,Boom