[[Optima]]

Hello again,

First I would like to thank all of you that responded and commented on my previous work, I know that this is a Digital Forum but I think this is the place populated with the most talented artists.

This is my 3rd Clay Model.. only 2 more to go. The subject is suppose to be mad, and screaming.

I am posting it because I need criticism.. I will be handing it in soon therefore I need to know what you all think and if I need to fix anything.

Here are the pictures:

















Thanks

[Nex]

Looks really cool!

How did you work? did you put the clay on a balloon or something?

[mjmcchesney]

Well, I've seen your other two clay pieces, and seems like you're progressing by leaps and bounds between each. This piece definitely has the most detail out of the three you've done (although that gorilla had a great expression ).

I'm actually doing a similar acrylic painting right now, although it is a vampire with his jaw low, breathing heavily with bloodstained teeth/lips. Anyway, I thought I would mention this since, for the sketch, I checked many proportions on the head. Right now the superciliary arch you have is very strong and gives the face a great deal of character. The muscle flexing above the arch looks great...really adds a sense of anger to it. Moving on, the the temporal area of the head seems about right, although a tad more definition may further produce the desired effect of extreme anger/screaming. Next area, the ears. On average, the ear tilts backwards at about 15 degrees. From the looks of it, you have it just about right. The only thing I noticed is that there is no tilt in towards the head. The bottom of the ear actually tilts in towards the temporal bone at about 17-20 degrees (just a minor tidbit ). Also, just an extremely minute thing...the concha of the ear seems a bit small, he may have a few hearing problems . Finally, the area where the neck meets the occipital bone at the back of the head. You have the neck meeting too high up on the head; the head actually protrudes backwards farther than the neck, started at about the bottom of the ear. This is where you should have the neck joined.

Overall, very minute things. I'd love to see this in person, since I don't think the pictures do it justice

Great job, hoping to see your last two...

[Lukias]

Thats freaky, I'm scared!.

Well done, thats a godamn awsome mouth you've got yourself there. It must've been bloody painstaking work.

So you like working with head?

IMPRESSIVE!!!

[[Optima]]

WOW.. its been 5 minutes and already 3 comments.

mjmcchesney: Thank you for your detailed comments but it is really hard to picture what you are saying.. maybe you can show me visualy .. take the picture and put it in photoshop.. and please show me what you mean.. I am confused on some things you said.. but they were great.

Nex:Its all clay with a stick in the middle used for support.

Thank you to all for your comments..

[mjmcchesney]

Optima: I'll draw a few quick sketches when I get some time...just checked this thread really quick in the middle of work. Probably tomorrow or friday (maybe tonight if I find some time ) Hope you can wait (I hate work )

[Francis]

Far out! How bout some veins popping out of his forehead? Kind of emphasize the screaming aspect. For that matter, maybe accentuate some of the musculature of the neck, like all the muscles in his neck are tensed, from the anger/screaming.

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Francis Tsai
TeamGT Studios

[Lukias]

Fully agree with Francis, also get someone next to you to furrow their brow as much as possible and then......apply, even exagerate. The brow is the easiest way to show anger on a person IMO

[[Optima]]

Again thanks to all... Friday .. I hope it doesnt dry by then ..... I guess I do not have a choice

Francis: I want to do the neck details.. im just a little troubled on what it should look like.. any ideas.. are welcome.. I will see what I can spruce up.

As far as the vein on the forehead.. I took a picture of myself in that position and did not see no vein.. it must depend on the person.. I have no idea on what the position of the veins should be.. and I do not want to guess.. someone please show me.. some poping veins on a forehead..

[Hadoken]

Hey I likes! You're really getting better with each new work you show us. I especially like the mouth, the way it looks in that last pic makes the model look REALLY scary!

*gulp*

ehem...
Good work

aah and you've made me think back to my days back at SUV in Slovakia.(SUV=skola umenneho vytvarnictva=school of umm...creative arts? aah close enough translation) I used to be a sculptor (clay/ stone)

keep up the great work and i cant wait to see more

[TeNKaS]

What does the clay model does for you??? 3d animation??? What do you use it for???

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Your free to say your stupid, your stupid to say your free. TeNKaS

[[Optima]]

I do this for a course for my school I have to do 5 pieces of art and concentrate on a medium .. I choose clay.. and theme is emotion.

I also am a 3D Animator .. I wish I could scan it but cant fork over the $$$ for the 3d scanner...

[mjmcchesney]

Alright, had a few moments to paint a little bit over the picture and visually show what I was talking about. Sorry for any confusion. Also please notes these are general anatomical evaluations, and since the human race is extremely diverse, does not apply to everyone. Thus, it may not even apply to your sculpture, depending on nationality, heredity, etc. Anyway, I added a few more things as I was looking at it. I don't really think you need to add any of these in, since it would take too much work for such little details

Just thought I'd throw this in, maybe for educational purposes. I should have posted this with my original comment .

[EviLToYLeT]

yah, what mjmcchesney said. That guy really knows his anatomy... hehe. all these funny names for all these stupid parts. *flush flush* down you go. Yah, you need to raise the ears more. Otherwise I like the espression. Might want to add wrinkles on the forehead above the eyebrow s or maybe slant the eyebrows more for an added expression.

[egerie]

Yow Optima you're really making progress like mjm...(scrolls down not to butcher nickname)..mjmcchesney said !

The only thing I would add would be about the depth of the eye. don't forget it's a globe and a rather small one. Rgmgh if that doesn't makes sense I'll make a quick sketch if you want.

Keep it up !

-ege
P.S.: last techy comment before I finally shut up, be sure to make an armature underneath clay sculptures if you don't want it to fall appart after a few days.. And keep that guy's skin hydrated

[Hurri-cane]

hehe, i was bored (im no dhabih)

nice sculpture !


.caneman

[Hurri-cane]

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[This message has been edited by Hurri-cane (edited November 30, 2000).]

[n8]

looks keew...i was just imagining hor u made it....shweeet....btw...it reminds me of of the model they used in fightclub, the part right at the end??...i just watched the dvd the other day and they had all this stuff on how they made it n stuff...looks like ur clay model...looks keew

[Matt Elder]

I've seen your other two sculptures and they were pretty cool but I really like this one. The first photo reminds me of Billy Corgon (smashing pumpkins) but the other ones don't (amazing how just making the photo darker can really change the feel of the image - or was it just a bit 'wetter'). In the fourth picture from the top, the slope on the forehead looks a little weird but you can't pick this in the other photos.

Do you have a finished version of the female you were working on?

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See ya on da flip side
Matt
http://www.mattelder.com

[[Optima]]

First I would like to say thanks to all those who replied and I forget to mention.

mjmcchesney: Thanks for the image.. you really know your anatomy.. your a big help .. .I will make the changes tonight.. and post the update... Thanks again I really apreciate it.

As far as the vains in the forehead.. I still need some referance..if anyone has a referance picture of some veins poping please post them.

egerie: Your right it doesnt make sense.. can you please show me visually.. I rounded the eye.. and I think you can tell that when your viewing it live.. although the pictures don't do it justice... Plesae show me what you mean.


Matt Elder: I did finish the model.. As it was drying it started cracking on me.. so I didnt continue to further work on it.. if you search for the post "female clay" you can see some pictures of the cracking.. If anyone know how I can fix a dry cracked clay sculpture please tell me.. it is really thin and delicate.. I feel if I touch something it will shatter into particles

Anyone..?

Thanks to all .. and keep them coming..

[Superbug]

Wow Optima. I'm super impressed. I've always wanted to be able to do stuff like that, unfortunetly, I never had the time, or materials to do it. When I saw it, it reminded me of Vincent Dnofrio (Spelled wrong), from The Cell.

The model is seriosly scary looking, like, the guy does look mad, that may of course have to do with the lighting presented in the pic that falls upon the model. Even if that's the case, the modal is super.

Keep up the good work

[Zenzuke]

Hey! Very cool. It's nice to see the whole range of arts represented here, not only computer-made ones. I did a picture with almost the same topic and face about two weeks ago, and now, looking at your sculpture I now I have to put more work into my own painting