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Transcendence · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2000 6:55 pm

could anyone help me with the bone structure for wings on humans? I've tried and tried but can't seem to get it right. Looks like toothpicks rammed into the flesh

Visigoth · Guest Member #

Hehe...

This is a little old (5 years ago) but it'll give you an idea if you're looking for fleshy-wings, anyway...

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On another note, regarding the anatomy... I think if you approach it objectively, then you'll have better luck. Examine the placement of the wings, on this individual; The primary muscles, are extensions of her trapezius, and latismus dorsi. The actual joint is mounted inside a ball & socket in her scapula, for added stability.

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Transcendence · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2000 7:44 pm

Thanks. Yeah, I've seen that one before..like your site and artwork a lot. Would there be any possible way for you[or anyone] to give rough sketch on how the bones are placed? If not, still mucho thanks.

shahar2k · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2000 1:03 am

well, there are really only three forms of terrestrial wings
1) is the fleshy type of wings Visigoth has there, they are usually a flesh sheet attached to bones on either end (fingers on a bat, or limbs on a flying squirl)

2) the feathery kind found on a bird) usually has the limb structure of an arm with extended wrist area (no ribbing like bat wings) and the feathers attach to the single wing structure (think of a naked young bird to understand the wing structure)

3) insect wings... usually attached in distinct joints, and are formed of a single mesh of veins holding betweenthem a superthin film.

to connect those to a human you have to basically consider the skeletal structure underneath and then the musculature that is needed to move each wing, while bird and bat wings have muscles on the outside, insect wings have muscles on the inside....

I wish I could draw examples but it's 2 AM

Muzman · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2000 1:57 am

As I said earlier; when you consider the muscle structure necessary for the two pairs of limbs we have and how pretty much all the muscles and bones we have go into their construction and movement, there really isn't room for any more.
At a pure nuts and bolts level everything you try will look, to some degree, screwy.

You have to just...umm... wing it, as it were.

egerie · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2000 12:13 pm

Gargoyles !!! Ahem sorry. a little obsessed with grotesques and such. Visigoth got a really nice example here. It reminded me of something I got from my fetish show.
So forgive the huge pics (but they're light). They are solely leathery/fleshy type of wings but then you can see the construction better.

Generally when I put wings on a humano�d character I tweak the shoulder blade's spike and elongate it to form the main frame of the wing. Of course it's anatomicaly impossible but it looks more 'natural'.
Anyway, blah :

A different type of fleshy wings :

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WitchLord · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2000 2:10 pm

Hi guys!

Can I help out? I just happened to have a couple of pics on bats, and I thought you might be interested in using them for reference. (No, they are not mine, I don't remember where I got them)

PS. It's been way to long since I posted here last, but I'd like to join in the fun, if time permits. Oh well, we'll see how often I can come by. It's not like you'll miss me anyway

PSS. Oh, I almost forgot. I do have a picture of mine as well that you can use for reference:

(click on the image to view a larger version)

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Transcendence · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2000 2:37 pm

gargoyles was a nice show.

AS for the wings, I'm intending more of the feathery style.

Liquid! · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2000 5:30 pm

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Originally posted by Transcendence:
gargoyles was a nice show.

AS for the wings, I'm intending more of the feathery style.

I just ran across this, however it came up on excite.com fairly easily... you might want to search next time yourself.
http://www.ups.edu/biology/museum/wingphotos.html

Transcendence · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2000 5:37 pm

Actually, I somewhat did search. There was an article on Elfwood about it, but it wasn't linked. Besides, you people have vast knowledge of things and are great to learn from