[HumanClay]

Wwwaaassssuuppppp? <Budweiser commercial>

Anyway, I'm relatively new to PAINTING in Photoshop, and I would really like to know how you guys have your brush tool setup for such "painterly" images? I guess specifically Loki, Micke, Joachim, Chester, Mullins etc..

What boxes do you guys have checked?

Stylus: []size []opacity []color []wet edges

?

And if you use the "color checkbox" what colour do you paint with on the bottom.. because when you paint with say white on the top and black on the bottom, black bleeds through.

I guess I just need some direction.. if anyone is willing.

Thank you very much
HumanClay

[HumanClay]

Loki, Spooge, Frost, Micke, Joachim, vebjorn, ... anyone? :\

I'm sorry to be such a pest, but I really have no clue how to use that brush properly.

.. again, sorry for being annoying.

HumanClay

[Frost]

Hey.

No you're not annoying.

I assume you're also using some form of tablet and pressure sensitive tool.

I use the brush opacity option set for over 90% of my drawings, starting with LARGE brushes, and refining using smaller and smaller brushes. To make hard edges I'll sometimes use the size-sensitive, and sometimes both.

I never use the color-brush option (since I haven't really looked or found out how it works or how to use it effectively) nor do I use wet-edged brushes, I beleive spooge does (wet edges).

I never use swatches or color presets. I choose some color and value at the start, and creat my other colors on the fly as I need them. When I have my main elements roughly painted with their own hues, values, saturations, I go ahead and refine them, making better gradients, shading, etc by alt-clicking (color picking) the color I want and mixing with the underlaying pixels using pressure sensitivity. That way I can very quickly and easily color pick colors from my image, and apply/overlay different intensities of that color to get what I want.

Yeah, pressure sensitivity is my fav option.

frost.

[B]

it all depends on the image,. i change these at different times,.

i'll give you a situation,.
i was doing a landscape.. i created a custom brush in the shape of a basic faded tree,. i want this to fade in the background and be more pronounced in the foreground
i checked all except "wet edges"
I had the foreground color set to black, and the background set to a semi-dark green

i had light brush strokes toward the back and as i got closer in depth i pushed harder on the wacom to get the darker bigger more define trees,.

i'll post an example when i get home

but it does all depend on the instance..
i would assume under normal sercumstances, opacity, and size would be checked with the opacity set to around 75-85%

i don't trust the "color" check box,.

hope this helps

[micke]

I just use the default settings and nothing else. I just feel comfortable with it.

Maybe i should explore Photoshop some more:(

-Micke

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-Mikael Noguchi-

http://www.katode.org/noguchi/

[Joachim]

I have no clue of what I'm doing, hehe...
Really, I just sketch up on paper or machine. Sometimes I start by sketching lines or if not I start by making basis colors that shapes the picture. Then I just go over with BIG brushes (sometimes with around 50 % opacity or none opacity)....then just shadow and colorize the image as I want it to be.

I have no typical way of working, changes all the time. But, lately I've not used smudge, burn or any other tool except paintbrush, which I think might be the reason why it look more "painterly"..because then it's easier to avoid the danger of putting too much flashy highlights or blended inbetweens, which I want make for a reason more than by accident....though, this is not a good tip I guess, but I think it's easier to actually find out how things should look by doing everything manually.

Don't have any other tip to come with here, sorry !




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Joachim
web: http://home.sol.no/~jbarrum/

[Mongoose]

Thanks a lot guys..

I just have a lot of trouble making my colours blend together, it always looks like such a drastic change in hue even if I pick a colour that is just slightly different than the previous.

It's just frustrating I wanna be like you guys.. currently, all I can draw/colour is superhero-type comic characters, and I'm really sick of that style. I want to get into stuff that looks more traditional.

In any case, I guess I just need lotsa practice Again, thanks to all of you.

[Binke]

Why, there ya go, wasn't that hard was it?

[yoszi]

car dealership, eh, another lame excuse ?
Come on, if not for that anon post he would continue to claim that he made the all images on his w site. I wouldn't even spit on you,
thief.
I'm sorry i can;t stand that bs.

[Mongoose]

Wouldn't an excuse entail me taking the blame away from myself and placing it somewhere else? By saying that I took the model from a car dealership, I certainly am not taking credit for it now am I? Wouldn't an excuse me something that would get be "off the hook" so to speak?

Your definition of an "excuse" is severely warped.

And I'm glad you wouldn't spit on me.. I really don't enjoy having the flem of others hurled in my general direction.

[Joachim]

Yoszi,

As I just said what I said because of personal opinions, not because I have any close relation to mongoose (just to make sure people don't think I write this to help anyone)...But still, I also want to say this..
-I can understand that you feel discusted by ripping, but still...It doesn't really affect you in any way. Offcourse, if you though that the work mongoose created, that later has been taken for a copy, was totally the best you've ever seen, I can understand that you feel cheated with. but, as long as his just another person who tries to get accepted to this community, I think you should show a bit of mercy. Atleast when he admits that he's been lying. Even though he would probably still be trying to think that his work was his if nobody caught him, I think he has realized that this kind of behaviour won't work in in long runs. Offcourse, think whatever you want, but there's no rulez on this forum of that matter, just common sense and behavior..And, that goes both ways. As what has been pretty much discussed in the latest off-topic threads.
And, if that car dealership thing is bullshit, you must understand that it is a way to keep a bit of dignity...so, show some mercy, plz.
Oh well. . . I wont say more...make up your own minds.



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Joachim
web: http://home.sol.no/~jbarrum/

[Loki]

Yeah ... I think we've all been in a feeding frenzy - like sharks. This is just a forum and not a court.
Mongoose, I hope you learned something from this and that you will use it to your benefit.
I'd keep a low profile in the next weeks and hey - start doing your own stuff you can be proud of - I'm sure you'll get all our support in becoming a badass artist. I'm sure that effort has got the right use - instead of wasting energy defending yourself (which is a lost cause anyway).

So, get your pen, clean your tablet and start painting. The best redemption you can give

[yoszi]

punk,

your definition of appology, rehabilitation and i guess your mental state are severely wraped.

I would't spit on you but i would gladly knock your teeth out. just remember that world is a small place and I have a vindictive mentality.

You really make a mockery of this place. Find youself another hobby, dietetics perhaps, and stop wasting time of ppl who are serious about what they are doing.

Joachim,

'that the work mongoose created, that later has been taken for a copy, was totally the best you've ever seen'
Totally the best i've ever seen ? What are you talking about ? Designs on his site, entire site wasn't even mediocre.

I dont feel cheated, i feel enraged that someone like perry can steal someone else's work so lightly and apparently get away with it. Yes, he admitted that he was lying, how could he not? Why don't you scroll down and see the 'remorse' he was replying with to the allegations back then.

Anyway, i'm not going to waste my time on this prick. End of discussion.



[This message has been edited by yoszi (edited March 31, 2000).]

[immi]

Yeah...you know what...I totally agree with Yoszi. I can understand forgiving Mongoose if it was his first time lying, his 2nd time lying, or even his fifth time lying. But c'mon...the dude has a track record for this shit longer than Puff Daddy's rap sheet.

And this if that's not enough...he's actually still trying to justify what he did.

Mongoose should just crawl back under whatever rock he came from. Preferably a rock far far away...

[HumanClay]

My thread! What has happened to my beautiful thread!?

Heheh, thanks to all of you that actually helped me out and answered my questions.

As for this whole Mongoose thingy, I really don't care what happens.. I haven't been around long enough to have developed any real opinions on the matter.

HumanClay

[spooge demon]

Clay,

I suggest making both hard and soft brushes in one pixel increments up to whatever size you want. A few custom brushes thrown in...

This is a problem that I am very familiar with. I remember when I was in a basic design class we had to paint using gouache. I cursed the stuff to the ends of the earth and cursed the sadistic teacher who forced this arcane, useless crap on us. I had art to make, not swatches, dammit!

I saw an original exhibition of Syd Mead's work, and when I found it was all gouache, it put my art student brain back where it should have been.

I spent the next 3 years convinced that there was some trick to using that stuff, and eventually I found there was no trick at all. Ask all you want about technique, many are glad to answer, but realize that it probably won't help. Learning value and structure better, that will help.

Don't worry about technique, it will take care of itself.

Another point- Micke says his technique always changes- mine does as well. It is not a narrowing of approaches until- goldmine!- I have a trick that works! As you work for years, your basic knowledge expands so that any technique works, and you can use any path you want to get to new places that you have not been before. So my point is learning a technique is very limiting.

This is what makes a "loose" style work- you know wht is important, and throw out the rest. Simplification and design of shapes.

I don't mean to pick on you or lecture either, these are just a few thoughts I had. maybe I write more in Immi's column.

Oh here's my brushes

[micke]

Your'e back!
why did you create another alias?

-Micke

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-Mikael Noguchi-

http://www.katode.org/noguchi/

[Mongoose]

Create another alias? No no, this thread just helped me in understanding how you guys work... as you know, I'm not the best painter :P

[Joachim]

Your back Mongoose,
I'm not sure if this will create another flamewar on you, but hopefully people have had there chance to say there opinion about you copying from other peoples work.
As I've mentioned earlier, I don't like sope operas and flamewars to the infinite, and I think you've learned your lesson ...
Also, so many flamewars and discussions these last weeks have ended with people leaving the forum....but I want this place to be as big as possible, so let's not shut people out.
So, all I can say is, welcome back Mongoose

ps! tip for you Mongoose, get rid of everything that is not 100% your own work, and start over...I think that's better than having a lot of guys disliking you for ripping. If someone finds anything that's not fully yours again, I don't think you have much chance getting excused, ever. Also, you won't actually get anywhere by ripping (hopefully you know that by now ).



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Joachim
web: http://home.sol.no/~jbarrum/

[Mongoose]

Hi Joachim,

Yes, I've read through everyone's posts regarding what happened, and the reason I didn't respond (which as most of you know is very unlike me) is because I didn't want to further complicate the situation.

As far as stuff that was on my page that wasn't completed 100% by me.. the Jaguar and the Ferrari both fall into the category. Yes, they were REM models, but they WERE NOT FREE (like someone mentioned), they cost a fortune. The reason I had them was because I worked at a car dealership way back when, and they purchased them.. when I left the company, I was allowed to take them with me.

Anything else on my page is done 100% by me, I have .PSD files/etc/etc to prove it for anyone that wants.

Cperry.com is down permenantly because of immature 14-year-old pubescent freaks raiding my guestbook. Which is fine, maybe I do need to start over. In any case, I'm not going to be posting very much -- as I'm sure I can't reverse the opinions of most of the people in these forums.

I apologize for what I did, and it won't happen again... but the BULK of this whole ordeal took place over 3 years ago, which I find to be rather humorous that it still finds it's way back into my life. I mean, I'm sure a lot of you did some stupid shit when you were younger too... no matter, it's all good.

Anyway, thanks for the unexpected warm welcome Joachim.. I'm sure I won't be getting many more of those

Regards,
Mongoose

[Joachim]

Hey Spooge, that's a lot of interessting brushes !
I know this sound really stupid, but as little as I know of photoshop (obviously), I don't know how to make brushes. I just use the spherical ones. Is it possible to make your own ? How? anyone ?
Maybe you could save your brushes for me to download and play with ? If that's not a too personal thing to share ?

ps! maybe there is some place on the net where you can download different brushes ? sorry, I never thought pshop had so much brush options, as I've never checked for it. I thought that was a Painter speciality ...stupid me.



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Joachim
web: http://home.sol.no/~jbarrum/



[This message has been edited by Joachim (edited April 01, 2000).]

[Trance-R]

Yeah... make your own brushes!
First you draw whatever you want your brush to be. Select it with the box marquee tool and go to the brush palette. There is an arrow pointing right (in the top left area), click on that, and a menu appears. Click on define brush, and the stuff you selected will become a new brush!

[James]

Joachim, sure man... just draw something as your brush in a new picture, i guess draw it black on white ?!, and put a selection round it. then go to your brushes menu and get the pulldown at the side (the little arrow) and go to "define"....
done...
you should now have your brush in the brushes menu and be able to draw with it, you still need to define the spacing or whatever.. and unless anyone knows different i think you need to draw it the size you want the brush to be (no resizing like in dpaint!, how primitive! haha)

jim

[Affected]

Oh my... I just tested out the 'colour' option with the paintbrush.. I'm in love. Why haven't I used that before? Sooo slick!

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Affected

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