[balistic]

The only thing that would give me pause about buying a Formac (aside from the fact that they don't sell them here) is the non-rotating base. It looks like it's not designed to work in portrait mode at all.
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[Popeye]

i am not an expert on that but the high contrast these lcds have tend to exaggerate the value...when i look at the digital painting from a decent crt a good amount of details i painted with the lcd are waekened..which made me sad. i hope this not because of the way i paint..

[B0b]

[B0b]

went to a design studio today and they had 3 2010's there and was talking to 1 of the guys there and they've never had to calibrate it, but their new 23" Apple had to be calibrated this week as it wasn't as accurate as the 2010's!

[Sukhoi]

Adjustments and calibration? For 'digital painting' the only thing that's important is the gamma I think.
Ofcourse I'm exagerating here, but you're still gonna rock/suck as much on an LCD as you do on a CRT.

[B0b]

ok so you're on a sucky monitor painting away thinking you're putting these rich colours down (because the monitors brightness is set too high / on the wrong colour temp) and when u print it comes out different to the way you see it on screen.. you're going to spend the next couple of hours trying to tweek what you've painted..

[Popeye]

bob: that's exactly what i was talking about, i have an apple 23' with my pc, the color is so off ( viewing the same painting on a crt)..any recommendation on calibration?

[balistic]

You can only calibrate a monitor for a specific output device.

There's no actual standard for how a monitor should look, by itself. Adjust your color temperature controls so that your grays are neutral, and make sure your brightness is up high enough that you can see right down to black on a monochromatic gradient. Beyond that, I do not advise doing any additional calibration. If you need to print something, you can always load a color profile for your printer and adjust the image until it looks like it did when you painted it. If you start at the other end and paint with a color profile enabled, when you try to display the image on a monitor other than your own (say by putting it on your website), it's going to look wrong.

Paint with a full range of values, on a monitor with neutral grays and you'll be fine. That's a solid baseline from which you can make any adjustments you may need for transfer to other media.
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[wasssup]

Get one of these colour calibrators if your doing colour critical work.

http://www.colorvision.com/profis/profis_search.jsp?op=search&department_id=401

http://www.pantone.com/products/products.asp?idArea=2&bShowProducts=1&showNav=121

I used a spider to calibrate my pet at work, an Eizo L985EX, the outcome is amazing, colours are more natural and balance. Good LCD panels have the abilities to display rich colours which doesn't necessarily mean the colours they actually display are accurate. Apple cinema display is a good example. The Samsung panel in Apple displays is a good one, but it seems they just buy it from Korea and assemble it somewhere in China without any effort of pre-calibration. All you pay for is design, but good deisgn costs. So I wouldn't say they are not worth the money. Highend display manufactures like LaCie and Eizo use hardware calibrators to adjust their monitors before they are out, also the hard-/softwares coming along with the monitors are well richer than the other brands. Think that's also one of the reasons why they are so pricy.

[3nasty]

yep .. I have daytek 17"..heheh..

[B0b]

how do u explain the price of a 2010 and its colour accuracy then

i was going to buy a spyder for calibration until i found out that my 2010 was spot on!

[Mon]

My Formac Gallery 2010 (raven black) arrived just minutes ago! weeee
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[Tomasis]

I just bought one NEC 1980Fxi and waiting for delivery

next to this as a purchase, one 21,3 would be good complement for dual monitor setup like as NEC 2190Uxi with S-IPS panel (maybe used 2180Ux which has another nec own panel called SA-IFT ).

I want try out the S-IPS panel which sounds interesting. I removed 20" from the list when I heard that texts at 1600x1200 are too small to read.

Imagine my laptop 14" at 1400x1050, lol. I use this resolution sometimes but use this most for painting

laptop screen couldn't beat CRT 22" at color renditions (the crt had a lot more green colours), it would be fun to compare 1980fxi to crt also one nec of course I cannot afford any nice monitor with full Adobe RGB colours I believe such CRT can be a lot cheaper but dont see such ones in the marketplace. Only TFTs.

one thing left : a calibrator. GretagMacbeth Eye 2 sounds good plus spectraview software for 70$

money money suck but it is fun for techno freak as me


Mon, where did you ordered one, how was this compared with what?

wassup, since you have Eizo L985EX, how special is this compared with other? some differences? (this Eizo has Hitachi s-ips panel also more slow 40ms, L997 has the same but a bit faster panel).

[wasssup]

Bob, I've got no idea man. the 2010 is really the only display I've ever seen with a decent colour reproduction in that price range. my dell 2405's colours look shit compared with the 2010. I've heard from different sources reporting the dell 2405's panel is an IPS(6 bit) one, but I'm sure I've read some serious reviews saying they use S-IPS for the 2405 line...whatever, I'm mainly using it for word processing and gaming. It's cheap anyway.

Mon, put up some pics!

edit:
Tomasis(saw your post after my posting hehe), the Eizo is a champ. Technically, the calibrator reports back 100% of the colours are accurate and 99% are perfect. Visually, the colour does look a little deeper than another NEC 2180ux, also darker(but you still can see the finest details in the dark extreme). If you like dark images, here you go. But your right, it's really SLOW, forget gaming or watching movie, pain in the arse. The NEC 20wgx2 released a couple of months ago sounds great for all around use, great colour and fast, price is reasonable as well. It packs a new version of S-ISP called AS-ISP, should be really good. Haven't seen it in person though.

[B0b]

i've run 1600x1200 on my screens since my 17" IIYAMA Pro days back in '96..

1400x1050 on my 14" Lappy is usable, but far form 1600x1200 that i'm used to..

1600x1200 on my 2010 isn't too hard to read - i sit arms lengh away from my screens

Dells have been slated for having poor display until they're calibrated.. the older models were 18bit displays but the newer models seem to be ok from what i can see..

if you're having trouble reading txt @ 1600x1200 on a 19" CRT/20" TFT then u need to visit your optition and get some glasses

hope you're having fun with ur 2010 Mon

we should have a 2010 club

oh and a pic with the black board behind

[Mon]

Here ya go!!

Tomasis, I got it from Musikhaus Thomann (germany). couldn't find a swedish store that had one, but i got it without any glitches, UPS dropped it off at my front door.

http://www.thomann.de
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[Tomasis]

Wassup, I'd not mind to having a Eizo L985EX anyway. Just for serious works as painting, photoediting. Then it'd be good! The Nec wide 20" sounds good for multimedia. heck better buy a 30" or 24" one cheap as dell, hehe.

Dell 2405 and wide have PVA from Samsung. Newer Dells monitors are released and look very sweet. 2007FWP uses S-IPS. You confused with 2005FPW which uses also S-IPS panel.

Formac 2010 has P-MVA from Fujitsu. As example, mid level Eizo use PVA from Samsung.

I use the website for panel info (I dont know how accurate is this)
http://www.flatpanels.dk/skaerme.php

Mon, look paintings better? nice photos

Bob, it is not good for reading a lot for such resolutions on small petty sizes no matter how good eyes you have I bought 14" with better graphics card just for painting. 1024 is too small for such works but rocks on normal web browsing. I ALWAYS did run 1280x on CRT 19" though this was capable to 1600x or 22" at 1600x. can you imagine run 15" CRT with 1400x1050 rez? TFT has advantage there. sharp texts.

[B0b]

Mon wow that site is 155 euro's more expensive than where i bought mine..

wonder where the formac logo went from the top..

Tomasis thats a great site for panel information

[rant]trouble with small widescreen displays is that you actually miss out on pixels vs a normal 4:3 ration display of the same size - ie 20" widescreen = 1680x1050 vs 20" 4:3 = 1600x1200 - i don't understand the people who rave on about how much more space they have now they went widescreen! so you're getting an extra 80px in your width but you've lost 150px in the height![/rant]

i want one of these -

3,840 x 2,400px otherwise known as QUXGA-Wide.

only downside is the price.. �4,641.25, and you need a specialist graphics card to run it as well..

[wasssup]

Mon, nice pics. Now they want to be for mac so much that they don't want their logo on it anymore.

Tomasis, thanks for sharing the link, informative site. Oh yeah 2405 uses PVA, so it is indeed a 6 bit monitor...hm thinking if I should swap it for a 2407 or so.

Bob, your gonna need a BIG table and LOOOOOOONG arms for that monster

[ceenda]

I've had bad color/brightness and overly-bright backlighting problems with:

Dell 1905FP
Viewsonic VX924

Which is funny, because the earlier Dell 1901FP looked great. Really nice gamma curve and no crazy out-of-bounds saturation as you lower gamma.

However, I can't sell the VX924 (mess up, got a refund... and then another VX924 which they won't take back) so I'm wanting to make the best of it.

Would a spider really make the color/brightness range decent, or would it just be a waste of money?

Also taking into account that the black is sort of saturated purple (probably due to the backlight).

[B0b]

as long as ur screen displays 24bit - a Spyder would help it enormously..

[camellia]

I'm gonna get a Formac 2010 just after you guys

Hey someone has any ideas how much does it cost?
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[Chris-Mayernik]

Yea I'm getting one also. SO sweet. Now I just gotta find where to buy.

[B0b]

[camellia]

thanks for your kind reply Bob

Actually I've found a local website which claimes $1200 for a brand new one.
And I go 'Hoo! How come a monitor can possiblely cost so much. I gotta turn to you guys to check out what the real prize is.'

Anyway, $1500 sounds just awful to me. How much do you guys get one in your country?
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[B0b]

mine cost me �350 inc. VAT. average pricing here is �350-460 (used to be around �800) (�350=AU$838)

[balistic]

I'm currently looking at this 23" Sony. I may make it my reward for sitting down and doing my taxes today
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[wayfinder]

I'm torn: I want a Dell 2405FPW (24 inch TFT), but I've vowed to never make a deal with Dell again after the horrible experiences I had with them. Grr.






Also, Hi! to those who remember me
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[balistic]

gb2gbs wayfinder

I looked at the Dell 24, but I've heard middling things about their color and contrast fidelity. It's probably worth waiting until the new 2407's are out, in case they're better than the 2405.
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[camellia]