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Max · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:19 am

Nasa is attacking peacefully comets : )
Very interesting!

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/media/deepimpact-070405-1.html

Mon · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:29 am

Great PR for NASA, doing cowboy research that pleases the masses AND might even provide useful data. I can imagine the NASA people screaming a unison "Yeee-haaaw!" at impact, waving cowboy hats Smile

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lysander · Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:21 am

great image mon, made my day Smile

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blck_productions · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:02 pm

I cant see why you are all so excited...It makes mee sad. For the first time mankind has exported his destruction-technology into space...
Our war-technology is now officially into space...SAD

But i'll deliver a lot of data...Wich they did it in another way
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Gort · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:38 am

waa waa waa! War technology? I suggest you read the full details on mission before making such a silly statement. It wasn't "war technology" - it was simply a probe designed to smash into or collide with the comet; data would then be sent back to a secondary fly by craft.

War technology . . . Laughing

All in the name of science, so get over it! Laughing

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blck_productions · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:10 am

uttutut...

They blew a hole in it = destruction...

And al in the name of science??...Hey start the cloning then...Boost up the IQ of your future kid. I love Science but it should be accampagnied by soime fair dose of morale...

They brought destruction in space. We changed something out there. Should we be proud or ashamed?

Just trying to place some ???? on this issue
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balistic · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:10 am

You can't be serious. It's a ball of ice and rock. It was barely scratched by the probe. Nothing was "destroyed" except the spacecraft itself.

Comets and asteroids are the number one external threat to life on Earth. It is imperitive that we understand what they are made of if we are to have any chance of stopping one that threatens our planet.

Rogue planetecimals don't just threaten humanity, but all life.

How someone can get morally uppity about scratching a rock is beyond me. That is a huge ethical miscalibration.

Max · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:30 am

Everything that is possible will be invented. Cloning, Lightspeedtraveling, blue apples, whatever,
if it's possible we will do it and there's nothing that will hold us back but our desire of self destruction.

Destruction is relative though. What is destruction? Isn't everything made
up of eighter mass or energy which are equivalent? e=mc�? You can't destroy energy,
just transform it. We transformed parts of this comet into light and heat. Look at it it this way.

I think everything humanity is responsioble for is because it has to be.
If we don't fit into the evolution of the world itself we will be "deleted".
I think it's like a big equation. Somtimes living organism have to
leave (eg. dinosaurs) because they put the world out of equilibrium.

Just some weird thoughs on my part.

Sumaleth · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:32 am

balistic · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:37 am

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blck_productions · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:25 am

Max has a point...In my opinion we are changing the equilibriulm now. Not by blowing up -sorry altering the state of mass to energy- of a stupid piece of rock. But because we practisise our knowledge without seeing the whole picture. We simplify things so we can grasp them. In this process lots of information is lost. Information wich could be hazardous for mankind.
Sience is really booming the last century. We are now in the bend-point of the exponential-curve in our evolution. From now one it's really going steep. More inventions, less time...So we keep on walking -running is the word- but no one has a map. If we keep on going-on like this sience will go beserk...Will lead us in chaos and eventually kill us...Because we disturb the equilibrium. We need to stand still more. Ask us more ???? Try to see the whole pictures..Consiquences of our deeds, inventions. Einstein knew that his formula
E=Mc� had two sides....Infinite amount of energy for everybody...And devastating destruction. He always thaught his theory could not be made practical. They did...ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki....We also have INfinite energy in the form of Nuclear Power-plants, wich also has its down-sides (waste)
I'll hope you get my point know...Just trying to be some counter-weight on the balance Wink

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gLitterbug · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:56 am

I very much understand your point and think it is very valid. But honestly I think that this specific example of shooting something into that outer-space rock is not really anything to worry about that much. I�d worry much more about the things you do not hear about. Those are the ones that get really dangerous.

Gort · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:13 am

Think of everything around you that you take for granted. Your car, the train to work, the beer or cola you drink, the aspirin, the toaster oven, the lightbulb, electricity - WHATEVER - all in the name of science. Some of ya'll are sounding like downright Luddites! Smile

I just have to say it: I cannot believe this is a debate. Really. This has become quite comical.

Popcorn anyone?

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gLitterbug · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:41 am

The only thing I�m still waiting for from science is the possibility to punch someone into the face over the internet. Then my motto will be "Punishing internet morons in the name of science".

Impaler · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:49 am

Don't be silly, blck. Science has always been, as Jesus put it, about turning swords into plowshares.

eyewoo · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:31 pm

Adding to Impaler's comment, it is also worthwhile considering whether the motivation for war technology is offensive or defensive.

...and BTW, when that big, dark, astroid enemy comes hurtling at our planet one day in the future, I'm gonna be thankful that we have already developed a technology for hitting it while it is still millions of miles away...
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gLitterbug · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:51 pm

As long as we have Bruce Willis I don�t see any problems with Asteroids.

Lunatique · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:54 pm

I'm pro earth. I think the survival of our planet is far more important than a piece of traveling rock that has no detectable lifeforms on it. I also think this is one of the few things you shouldn't be a relativist about. If you can't take a stand in your disposition about the survival of your own planet, then what do you believe in? The equality of all asteroids? Very Happy

watmough · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:10 pm

Where's Arthur C. Clarke when we need him?

Capt. Fred · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:56 am

one thing that irks me is when people judge the morality of science.
science is just a method, blck. It's a processes used by people, a tool, not some weird destructive philosophy. The way it's used just reflects the morality of ordinary humans. Just like axes: zombies kill people with them, whilst good people use them to build a log cabin.

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blck_productions · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:18 am

I don't want to come over as a conservative or someone who thinks sience is a bad thing. We need to be aware of our knowledge and the impact it can have...

am I that negative????
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Max · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:07 am