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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:59 am     Reply with quote
Not worth the effort.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:40 am     Reply with quote
While I agree with you that the columnist's disdain for art altogether is somewhat disappointing, it doesn't warrant physical violence (although there's part of me that might sometimes feel otherwise Wink ). Everyone has an opinion, and they're certainly free to express it. We don't have to agree, but everyone get's a soapbox. Smile

My dad is a prime example. He's ultra religious; he's homophobic, and he says pretty darn gnarly things about art that he doesn't understand. He drives me nuts. I almost always dissagree with him and argue (it's typically diplomatic arguing, tho').
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:32 am     Reply with quote
Cristo draped Rifle Gap, Colorado with a gigantic Safety Orange plastic "drape" in the mid-70's as "art." It was an "art event," at the very least. I used to have a charm bracelet and had a small silver charm with orange enamel commemorating the event...

The thing lasted all of 3 days before the winds in the area shredded it to bits, but, in the spirit of "static performance art," his works accomplish their purported goal. I recently read that instead of using the criteria of art needing to "say something," it should be modified to art "having a goal in being created," be that to arouse emotion, cause controversy and discussion, or just provide a venue for a creative expression, good or bad...

Cristo accomplishes this, as does Kinkade, Pollard, Van Gogh, or Hockney...
Like it, Love it, Leave it, or Lump it, it is art. Viewed from a distance, it is interesting...And it's only for a couple of weeks, unlike graffiti, or some publicly funded works of "art."
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:12 pm     Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:00 pm     Reply with quote
Haha! Stacy, you should team up with Mr. Phelps Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:41 pm     Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:26 pm     Reply with quote
Myself, I've never thought of lining a highway with umbrellas, or wrapping an old bridge in canvas, or anything close to that. I'll bet that you haven't either, nor has Keith Olbermann. Even if you HAVE thought of it, have you done it yet? This guy has.

Complain all you want about the over-contextualization of modern art, this guy is creative. He's creative on a larger scale than most of us ever bother to think, too. That fact alone qualifies this work as "art", regardless of ancient conceptions of pure aesthetics.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:41 pm     Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:02 pm     Reply with quote
wait....zach...did you just defend modern art?


I'm gonna go poop in a box and set it in the middle of the street.

how about I get 100 people to poop in 100 boxes and throw them on the freeway. large scale. Especially if I threw them out of a Volvo while playing Linkin Park at half speed.

Or how about I just sit here and do nothing but just think about doing the aformentioned. It's my artistic statement about procrastination. Aren't I clever.

and for my next trick...


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Modern art sucks.
This guy sucks.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:04 pm     Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:55 pm     Reply with quote
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-- Many things in life warrant physical violence.

An opinion on art - especially one counter to your own or anyone elses - does not warrant pyhsical violence.

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That's a good thing. That's your innate sense of defending you and yours, starting to show itself.
You just haven't had a daughter raped or a wife attacked in your home, or something like that yet.


Careful, lass - you don't know me, so . . .

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"Everyone has an opinion, and they're certainly free to express it. We don't have to agree, but everyone get's a soapbox."

-- Of course.


Unless you're going to threaten them with physical violence. Wink

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There's no such thing as 'homophobic'. It's a PC, made up term. Homo means 'man kind'. Like 'homokinetiphobia' is the fear of human movement. So 'homophobia' REALLY means 'the fear of humans'.

And a phobia is the unnatural irrational fear of something.
Being afraid of perversion is certainly not unnatural.


Rolling Eyes

Thanks Doc, I get (I got it and will get it); it's more of a figure of speech. Stop looking at it too hard, and let's get on with the post.

Moving on.

DeKooning sucks ass - what a waste of paint, but Picasso! Ah Pablo and Brach!

Uh oh. I better be on the lookout for the brown shirt Physical Violence Squad. Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:13 pm     Reply with quote


ahem, for Jesus.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:33 am     Reply with quote
*sigh*

pulled your posts. nice. constructive. Goshdarnnit, Stace - that's not the spirit. Neutral

Actually Hamster, I think some Modern Art has merit, but I will agree with you in that perhaps some doesn't. Art for art's sake or pretentious expressionism?

I know an artist here in Atlanta - a painter. He sells his work for thousands and in the tens of thousands of dollars. Now someone not experienced in art and painting techniques might not see the worth in this guy's work; it's considered abstract by most that do see it, and in some respects I can understand that viewpoint; however, for the sake of fairness he does produce some really nice textured and layered work - almost a visual representation of ambient music (real ambient like Eno, Rich or Roach - not that plinky new age stuff).

But back to the artist: To him it's clearly business and marketing; he just cranks 'em out day in and day out; it's promote sell promote sell promote sell, which leads me to question (not openly but passively) his integrity and motives.

This brings us back to the topic often discussed here - dare I say it (cue scary music) - "Kincaid Syndrome".
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:40 am     Reply with quote
if your just going to pull your posts stacy why bother posting in the first place...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:02 am     Reply with quote
not worth the effort to continue, but worth the effort to remove everyone of your posts Razz ...ok
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:10 am     Reply with quote
I'd become so accustomed to ignoring the content of her postings that I didn't realise she'd taken them out... Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:46 pm     Reply with quote
Stacy's a guy.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:54 am     Reply with quote
hi
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