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stacy member
Member # Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 271 Location: In the mountains on the Canadian border.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:59 am |
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Not worth the effort.
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Gort member
Member # Joined: 09 Oct 2001 Posts: 1545 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:40 am |
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While I agree with you that the columnist's disdain for art altogether is somewhat disappointing, it doesn't warrant physical violence (although there's part of me that might sometimes feel otherwise ). Everyone has an opinion, and they're certainly free to express it. We don't have to agree, but everyone get's a soapbox.
My dad is a prime example. He's ultra religious; he's homophobic, and he says pretty darn gnarly things about art that he doesn't understand. He drives me nuts. I almost always dissagree with him and argue (it's typically diplomatic arguing, tho'). _________________ - Tom Carter
"You can't stop the waves but you can learn to surf" - Jack Kornfield |
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sweetums member
Member # Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 236
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:32 am |
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Cristo draped Rifle Gap, Colorado with a gigantic Safety Orange plastic "drape" in the mid-70's as "art." It was an "art event," at the very least. I used to have a charm bracelet and had a small silver charm with orange enamel commemorating the event...
The thing lasted all of 3 days before the winds in the area shredded it to bits, but, in the spirit of "static performance art," his works accomplish their purported goal. I recently read that instead of using the criteria of art needing to "say something," it should be modified to art "having a goal in being created," be that to arouse emotion, cause controversy and discussion, or just provide a venue for a creative expression, good or bad...
Cristo accomplishes this, as does Kinkade, Pollard, Van Gogh, or Hockney...
Like it, Love it, Leave it, or Lump it, it is art. Viewed from a distance, it is interesting...And it's only for a couple of weeks, unlike graffiti, or some publicly funded works of "art." _________________ Life is short. Expect nothing, enjoy everything.
That which does not kill you should make you wiser... |
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stacy member
Member # Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 271 Location: In the mountains on the Canadian border.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:12 pm |
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Misc member
Member # Joined: 04 Jun 2004 Posts: 475 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:00 pm |
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Haha! Stacy, you should team up with Mr. Phelps  |
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stacy member
Member # Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 271 Location: In the mountains on the Canadian border.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:41 pm |
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Impaler member
Member # Joined: 02 Dec 1999 Posts: 1560 Location: Albuquerque.NewMexico.USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:26 pm |
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Myself, I've never thought of lining a highway with umbrellas, or wrapping an old bridge in canvas, or anything close to that. I'll bet that you haven't either, nor has Keith Olbermann. Even if you HAVE thought of it, have you done it yet? This guy has.
Complain all you want about the over-contextualization of modern art, this guy is creative. He's creative on a larger scale than most of us ever bother to think, too. That fact alone qualifies this work as "art", regardless of ancient conceptions of pure aesthetics. _________________ QED, sort of. |
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stacy member
Member # Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 271 Location: In the mountains on the Canadian border.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:41 pm |
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Giant Hamster member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1782
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:02 pm |
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wait....zach...did you just defend modern art?
I'm gonna go poop in a box and set it in the middle of the street.
how about I get 100 people to poop in 100 boxes and throw them on the freeway. large scale. Especially if I threw them out of a Volvo while playing Linkin Park at half speed.
Or how about I just sit here and do nothing but just think about doing the aformentioned. It's my artistic statement about procrastination. Aren't I clever.
and for my next trick...
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Modern art sucks.
This guy sucks. |
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stacy member
Member # Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 271 Location: In the mountains on the Canadian border.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:04 pm |
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Gort member
Member # Joined: 09 Oct 2001 Posts: 1545 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:55 pm |
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-- Many things in life warrant physical violence. |
An opinion on art - especially one counter to your own or anyone elses - does not warrant pyhsical violence.
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That's a good thing. That's your innate sense of defending you and yours, starting to show itself.
You just haven't had a daughter raped or a wife attacked in your home, or something like that yet. |
Careful, lass - you don't know me, so . . .
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"Everyone has an opinion, and they're certainly free to express it. We don't have to agree, but everyone get's a soapbox."
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Unless you're going to threaten them with physical violence.
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There's no such thing as 'homophobic'. It's a PC, made up term. Homo means 'man kind'. Like 'homokinetiphobia' is the fear of human movement. So 'homophobia' REALLY means 'the fear of humans'.
And a phobia is the unnatural irrational fear of something.
Being afraid of perversion is certainly not unnatural. |
Thanks Doc, I get (I got it and will get it); it's more of a figure of speech. Stop looking at it too hard, and let's get on with the post.
Moving on.
DeKooning sucks ass - what a waste of paint, but Picasso! Ah Pablo and Brach!
Uh oh. I better be on the lookout for the brown shirt Physical Violence Squad.  _________________ - Tom Carter
"You can't stop the waves but you can learn to surf" - Jack Kornfield |
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Drunken Monkey member
Member # Joined: 08 Feb 2000 Posts: 1016 Location: mothership
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:13 pm |
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ahem, for Jesus. _________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud |
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stacy member
Member # Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 271 Location: In the mountains on the Canadian border.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:55 pm |
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Gort member
Member # Joined: 09 Oct 2001 Posts: 1545 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:33 am |
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*sigh*
pulled your posts. nice. constructive. Goshdarnnit, Stace - that's not the spirit.
Actually Hamster, I think some Modern Art has merit, but I will agree with you in that perhaps some doesn't. Art for art's sake or pretentious expressionism?
I know an artist here in Atlanta - a painter. He sells his work for thousands and in the tens of thousands of dollars. Now someone not experienced in art and painting techniques might not see the worth in this guy's work; it's considered abstract by most that do see it, and in some respects I can understand that viewpoint; however, for the sake of fairness he does produce some really nice textured and layered work - almost a visual representation of ambient music (real ambient like Eno, Rich or Roach - not that plinky new age stuff).
But back to the artist: To him it's clearly business and marketing; he just cranks 'em out day in and day out; it's promote sell promote sell promote sell, which leads me to question (not openly but passively) his integrity and motives.
This brings us back to the topic often discussed here - dare I say it (cue scary music) - "Kincaid Syndrome". _________________ - Tom Carter
"You can't stop the waves but you can learn to surf" - Jack Kornfield
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-HoodZ- member
Member # Joined: 28 Apr 2000 Posts: 905 Location: Jersey City, NJ, USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:40 am |
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if your just going to pull your posts stacy why bother posting in the first place... |
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The Real Mark member
Member # Joined: 13 Dec 2003 Posts: 322 Location: Brisbane Australia
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:02 am |
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not worth the effort to continue, but worth the effort to remove everyone of your posts ...ok |
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ceenda member
Member # Joined: 27 Jun 2000 Posts: 2030
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:10 am |
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I'd become so accustomed to ignoring the content of her postings that I didn't realise she'd taken them out...  |
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Impaler member
Member # Joined: 02 Dec 1999 Posts: 1560 Location: Albuquerque.NewMexico.USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:46 pm |
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Stacy's a guy. _________________ QED, sort of. |
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djinni junior member
Member # Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 6
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:54 am |
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hi |
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