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sweetums · member Member # Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 236

Silber, I think you posted to the wrong thread.
Nothing in "An aggregation of autonomous cells, a series of projects by
Casey REAS and collaborators", and I mean NOTHING has any relevance to this thread, nor the topic of digital Fine Art.

Perhaps you should either not "post on the run," or utilize an online translator to help with your English, so that you don't have to apologize for things you post that really don't fit in...
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eyewoo · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:38 pm

hmmm... I think Silber was suggesting that the medical and biological images can also be considered digital art since thay are probably created digitally. Why not... If manipulated photos are digital art then those images would seem to be as well. Some are quite beautiful and can be appreciated simply as graphic designs. Love the hairy one...
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balistic · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:15 pm

matter · member Member # Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 82 Location: ny

silber, thank you for the link you sent to me, actually. the site was right on for this subject. i didn't notice any medical images all the images are abstract results based on a user's interaction, say with the grid structure of a keyboard. i also found this nifty site: http://processing.org/ which created the images in their Sketches.
cool stuff, i like where it's going...

sweetums, thanks for all of your links.. ill definitely be able to use some of those artists

and thanks again everybody else..

so nobody argues an at least marginal impact on fine arts from digital media, and it is valid in the conceptual process but not a final created product... that is you can use it to come up with a ideas or to better visualize an idea, but you can't use it to present that idea - validly. and by validly, i mean accepted as a formally artistic expression.
sounds downright fishy to me.

i was just thinking that the absence of texture... the sterility around the subjects painted, is a matter in itself to be admired. just as you can't ever find a true gray in the real world, you can't ever find a clean, unbiased mark. a mark will always have some remnant of the artist's hand. digital allows an image to be more genuine, unique of any exterior motives.. the identity of the artist is only left in the process (what layers, filters, brushes, software, etc. you use).. a brushstroke in photoshop is a brushstroke, but without the history of an oil brushstroke or charcoal stick.. that of an artist struggling with ultimately infinite factors of real media. artificial media allows an idea to stand on its own without influence from the media. outside, there are no perfect squares, perfect blues, perfect grays..

i may just be thinking too hard now, and it's in a different direction... but it feels like a nice crusade. where with photographs, we were relieved of the struggle for perfect realism. with computers, we are relieved of the limits of media. i might need more time to think about this.. does it sound conceivable?

-matt

eyewoo · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:35 pm

Digital is a fantastic, versitle medium, but so are traditional media. I look forward to the day when digital is compared to any other medium in the same way and with the same attitude as a discussion might revolve around the differences, the pros and cons between oil paint and acrylic paint, or water color and pastels... whatever, i.e. when digital is just another medium.
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martin de madrid · Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:40 am

Wonderful site, great thread!

Why would your professor feel digital art is less valid than, say, a horse siced up? Artists are always exploring new technologies. The computer is probably the most flexible. There exists a painting machine which works like a large injet using oil paint and Photoshop. (I really want one, but it costs 50K!) So if that machine printed or painted your digital file, would your professor object to the product?

Keep up the good work, the flow of ideas, it is refereshing to see intelligent discussion of what art is all about!
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sweetums · member Member # Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 236

matter · member Member # Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 82 Location: ny

*update: i spoke with my teacher today and gave her a short outline of my ideas so far; she reminded me (and i missed the point) that we are to focus on "painterly" aspects of contemporary art. sheesh.. so, narrows the playing field down quite a bit.. actually, i may not be able to have enough information to continue.. after this discussion i feel that digital is almost an absence of painterliness/"traditional layering effects?", but it is appreciable on its own merit. i'm going to have to talk to my teacher again soon, heh..

still, i am enjoying this discussion anyway! thanks everyone; it's opened my eyes to read these ideas "out loud" and it really gives me a better grasp on what i'm doing when i pick up a stylus.

-matt

eyewoo · Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:15 am

Seems your focus is being jerked around a bit... On the latest track, digital painting can be all about layering effects. One of digital's best aspects is the ability to work on separate layers and combine them in various opacities and other combinations, and as for painterly, check out all the effects in Corel's Painter program or the relatively new Artrage or the brush engine in Photoshop...

Check out all the painterly images in this forum's speedpainting thread...
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