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A.Alvarez
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Hi all...
The Gnomon Workshop is pleased to announce two new Analog DVDs that will be available September 15th! Produced in conjunction with Design Studio Press, the new titles focus on digital matte painting techniques. We also want to welcome Yanick Dusseault, a new instructor and one of the industry's foremost digital matte painters. Dusseault, a.k.a. DUSSO, has worked on such projects as What Dreams May Come, The Lord of the Rings Trilogy and is currently working as a senior matte painter for Industrial Light and Magic on the upcoming episode of the Star Wars saga.
Info is up on the GW site:
http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:13 am |
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wow , thanks , they look great.
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| This DVD follows Dusso through the first stages of the matte painting process, focusing on the properties of photographed light through the execution of nine different digital color sketches |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:06 am |
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| this is great, I have to get the first volume. awesome, but ain't cheap.... |
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Bandados
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:04 pm |
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| available in the UK? |
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stacy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:25 pm |
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Gee Whiz...
Yeah, those are real nice and everything,
but we can't buy what we can't afford.
You'd sell ten times as many of they
were half the cost. |
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ceenda
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:00 am |
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| stacy wrote: |
Gee Whiz...
Yeah, those are real nice and everything,
but we can't buy what we can't afford.
You'd sell ten times as many of they
were half the cost. |
Maybe DUSSO would be worried by ten times as much competition.  |
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stacy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:03 pm |
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HAH!!! I SERIOUSLY doubt that.
Have you seen his work?
http://www.dusso.com
Your work is good; VERY good.
Better than 99% of what's out there.
But compared to this guy, it
looks like velvet paintings of Elvis. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:24 pm |
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| Dusso and Mullins sittin' in a tree... |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:36 pm |
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| stacy wrote: |
HAH!!! I SERIOUSLY doubt that.
Have you seen his work?
http://www.dusso.com
Your work is good; VERY good.
Better than 99% of what's out there.
But compared to this guy, it
looks like velvet paintings of Elvis. |
I don't think Dusso is that much better than Ceenda, really. He's got certain areas nailed, but he's got room for improvement like all of us.
Not trying to "bring him down a peg" or anything, in fact I'm tempted to pick up the discs, but let's not deify the guy.
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stacy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:29 pm |
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OH... NEVER!!!
Craig Mullins is the only Art god I know of.
(lower case "g") |
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ceenda
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:00 am |
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stacy: I was, in fact, playing on 'irony'. A pleasant old quality seemingly dying out in a slap-stick world.
balistic: Heh, dude, you're way ahead of me in that direction. 
But I think that people like Dusso are also happy to work on a picture for up to 2 weeks continually, often much longer. I don't know many people who have (or want) that kind of dedication. As much as I enjoy browsing the art of matte painters, I find as much enjoyment browsing more stylised, characterised, pieces from guys like agent44, roundeye, Isric etc. Matte painting is an area that few can do, and I imagine many that have the ability, might not enjoy. I certainly don't think people like Dusso or Craig Mullins have much to fear from masses of us buying Matte Painting DVDs. It ain't color-by-numbers.
But each unto their own. |
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Bandados
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:47 am |
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haha, funny how ceenda's comment was turned into a challenge against dusso..
The price doesn't seem too bad, I haven't seen a gnomon dvd before, but I usually learn alot from watching how someone else works. I think i'll give this one a try... |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:19 am |
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| I certainly don't think people like Dusso or Craig Mullins have much to fear from masses of us buying Matte Painting DVDs. It ain't color-by-numbers. |
I for one am locked into a career as a web and UI designer, and I therefore have no intention of ever trying to compete with those guys or the rest of yas, but I love to paint and play around with it; I want to be better at it. For me there's a tremendous satisfaction in creating something beautiful (Off World Colony Cruiser making orbital approach) or horrifying (oo - demon horde). I welcome the DVDs; they're a great supplement to the already accessible and helpful content on the Internet; however, I do wish they were on a more affordable level (I am in no way saying those guys don't deserve to be well compensated; I'm only wishing I had several hundreds of disposable dollars).
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stacy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:47 am |
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Yes Ceenda, I know you were being ironical.
That's why I played along with you. , , nudge, nudge.
If I'd known you are so sensitive, I would have just let it go, believe me.
Maybe you should switch to decaffeinated. ....oops! ...there, I've done it again! , , nudge, nudge.
Oh, I feel just awful now. Nothing left in life but to go to the zoo and throw myself in the gorilla cage! ...oops! ...noooo, not again! , , nudge, nudge. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:44 pm |
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yeah Ceenda....nudge, nudge. wink, wink. Oops, Britney's done it again.Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, smiley, smiley.
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Bandados
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:56 am |
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Stacy, just admit it, you don't get ironing
nudge wink nudge nudge |
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| I reckon the fella is right, they would sell way more if they were cheaper. They could earn MORE money in the long run.. so why don't they lower the price? They would be compensated in a big way. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:13 am |
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| ...and they would make many people happy....like me |
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stacy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:30 am |
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| Bandados wrote: |
| " ...you don't get ironing" |
WHAT in the HELL are you talking about !?!!  |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:35 am |
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| So has anyone got the DVD yet? what do you think? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:21 am |
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Got the first one as a present for my birthday. Yay!
It's awesome to watch him use Photoshop, but he uses alot of layers. I mean, about 5 or 6 just for these speed-sketches. Sometimes it's easy to become lost as you pause the DVD and try and work out which layer he's on. But apart from that he uses some really neat techniques.
At the beginning he says he's going to take the viewer through 9 sketches (and 9 little pictures appear behind him.). However... err... I think he missed out 2. Possibly because they couldn't fit it on the DVD when it went to press. There's one sketch he does of some WWII-era style bunker which is awesome. Could watch that lots of times. He also does a rough-sketch of one of his Rivendell paintings from LOTR.
Vocally, it's very clear, but unlike alot of the Gnomon DVDs, he doesn't seem to say much through the course of the DVD. That's not really a problem, but it would've been nice to hear him talk more about his reasons for colour-choices etc. However, he's perfectly justified in saying that you (the viewer) really have to go out and do lots of these kinds of paintings to understand the reasons yourself for various colour choices etc.
All in all, I think the DVD is great. Screen definition and video quality is an issue for these screencap DVDs, but that's just a problem with trying to output a 1280x1024 screen onto a 720x576 DVD and _then_ compress it, so I can't really accuse Gnomon of low-quality transfers.
Anyway, yes, I think it's great. But then, I got it as a present, so my wallet is still full of cobwebs. |
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Ceenda:
It seems that most digital artists will work with as few layers as possible by utilizing the application in a manner conducive to traditional painting (one surface / layer with buildups and knock outs). Is it surprising to see Dusso use multiple layers? I guess it doesn't matter in the long run, especially if the desired result is achieved.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:33 am |
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Gort: Sorry, that wasn't meant to come across as a criticism. It really just surprised me, as I tend to get into alot of trouble with layers when I use more than, say 2 of them. The way he uses layers is very smart, for instance, he uses 'haze' layers here and there so that the foreground colours he uses he can paint undernearth the layer to give the impression of depth. He does it extremely well, and uses layers to their full depth.
Like I say, it just surprised me because alot of his sketches are so painterly that I didn't think he used layers much. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:48 am |
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69$ for a DVD BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
it s insane. i would never ever buy it.
you gnomon guys should be ashamed 
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Gort: Sorry, that wasn't meant to come across as a criticism. It really just surprised me, as I tend to get into alot of trouble with layers when I use more than, say 2 of them. The way he uses layers is very smart, for instance, he uses 'haze' layers here and there so that the foreground colours he uses he can paint undernearth the layer to give the impression of depth. He does it extremely well, and uses layers to their full depth.
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That's pretty much how I work these days. A typical speedpaint will have seven or eight layers, a finished piece might have 30.
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69$ for a DVD BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
it s insane. i would never ever buy it.
you gnomon guys should be ashamed |
A few points:
A - it's not a popular movie, it's an educational reference.
B - they aren't pressing millions of these DVDs. I'd be surprised if they're doing more than 5000. They not only have to recoup the cost of printing and advertising, but also pay the artist enough to make it worth his trouble.
C - Photoshop is $500?! For a CD?!!!
That said, I wouldn't buy it because it's not how I like to learn, but for some it could be quite valuable . . . you know an average college textbook costs at least $100.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:58 am |
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| balistic,i work the same way...and i agree with you about the price... |
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| stacy wrote: |
Gee Whiz...
Yeah, those are real nice and everything,
but we can't buy what we can't afford.
You'd sell ten times as many of they
were half the cost. |
i only can say that stacy is right. if i could get the DVDs for the half price i d collect them but now i don t even want to buy a single one. i am sure that many people think that way. 
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I paid 40 bucks a season for 4 seasons of Futurama and 4 seasons of the Simpsons ($320). This doesn't seem that outrageous, especially when you compare this to the 75 bucks you spend for ONE decent girl-girl Aria Giovanna DVD.
Learnin's, porn and Matt Groening don't come cheap, but damn if they aren't worth it.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:41 pm |
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| stacy wrote: |
Gee Whiz...
Yeah, those are real nice and everything,
but we can't buy what we can't afford.
You'd sell ten times as many of they
were half the cost. |
i only can say that stacy is right. if i could get the DVDs for the half price i d collect them but now i don t even want to buy a single one. i am sure that many people think that way. |
And that is what differentiates the hobbiest from the professional. Pro's (and even the more dedicated amateurs) will spend it without blinking. Feng's Concept designs CDs run about $80, and worth every penny.
This product isn't meant for the hobbiest or fanatic who just loves the art of so-and-so. It's meant for true afficianados of matte painting. Just like the price tag on the really cool cars prohibits most of the populace from owning them. They could sell hundreds, if not thousands more if they'd sell them at half the cost, but why would they want to?
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Well it's good know those things regarding layers; I wasn't sure if it was a condoned or shunned practice. My background is from airbrushing; the process is heavily rooted in layering, frisket, paint, repeat. Hell - any good illustration almost always starts with layers of tracing papered objects composited on top of one another. At least that's how they taught it back at SCAD in the olden days.
And that Simpson's DVD set? Some of the best money spent, because my daughter and I sit together watching, laughing, eating popcorn and having juiceboxes . . .
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