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Swarm · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:27 am

really nice work here ! spooge, beat varnum, deepsea, etc

spooge demon · Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 3:48 am

Thanks, aphelionart, beat, swarm.

Zhalimuto, there should be no problem with using a lot of turps in an oil. I am using 3 parts artists turp, 1 part CP linseed oil for the intial washes. As long as you remember fat over lean it should be fine. The problems come in where you lay down a thick layer, and come back over it later with thinned paint. Especially if you are using some type of metal dryer in large quantities. I knew a matte artist who would work in thin layers, and used gesso to get whites back and then glazed over that. I saw the paintings after 10 years and they were fine. But I would not like to see them after 100-200 years.

You can see in museums where the artist has put lean over fat. It cracks like crazy. I think it is the different shrinkage rate. If the lean is over the ground (and it is stable) then things are OK.

Ralph Mayer's artist handbook is the best I have found for this kind of info.

But I am very close to permanently giving up with oil. I cannot control it, the results are very ugly to me, and I have been at it longer than I would like to ponder. Seems mixed media, WC, gouache, acrylic are for me. But I love that wonderful value range. I have to keep trying.

Here is another bar painting. I think it is the red, but I don't do the setups:)

watmough · Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 5:58 am

those are nice drawings,swarm...its cool to see that from you
spooge-have u tried painting with oils on paper?its VERY different from canvas in that it absorbs into the surface and u cant move it around the same way...you know instead of sitting on top of the canvas.easier to layer a little bit cause the paint doesnt smoosh together so much,especially with turpentine.
anyway,dont give up on your oils,theyre nice.i think maybe youre just fighting it too much.

varnum · Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:56 am

very nice beat, spooge, watmough, swarm (I like that first portrait especially swarm)

spooge... saying you are about to give up on oils while simultaneously posting such beautiful studies is depressing. The lighting in that last one really glows around the hips, ribcage and thighs.

by the way, I tried painting with plastics a week ago. oof. perhaps I'll try oils next.

a couple quick sketches from today:

DangerousLlama · Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:57 pm

swarm, i like your works

spooge, how big do you usually work with the oils? is that 20 minutes? amazing...

trouble with proportions...
20 minutes each.

Truth · Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:40 pm

Hey all, great stuff.

Spooge- Hey I like your oils, I like your reflected blue color in the skin tone on this last one. Nice. I have that trouble with everything all the time! Very Happy

Varnum - Those are nice. What are plastics? (I PM'ed you)

some things from today.

DangerousLlama · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:54 am

some oils:

kewalo basin

my sister (asleep)

zhalimuto · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:05 pm

thanks, spooge, yes, u r right,
i used to paint alot of classy paintings,
lean on fat,fat on lean, applying many layers and
they all cracked after one or two years.
what i mean about using turp is that it can
be easily wiped off by fingers if u only use turp
without lineseed oil.
anyway, thank you for ur info

Swarm · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:52 pm

thank you, and really nice work everybody!

cok3 · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:35 am

heres my try on a self-portrait

cok3 · Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:36 am

Popeye · Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:42 am

sorry for so many pics

DangerousLlama · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:59 am

20 minute pose with acrylics

i h8 acrylics

Capt. Fred · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:58 am

indredible work popeye. incredible studies!

burn0ut · Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:04 pm

some value studies

and a pencil drawing

nice work folks

DangerousLlama · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:41 am

burnout, youre crazy!

Phantom · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:38 pm

Inspiring work everyone.

XIA · Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:29 pm

Wow guys, nice work!

Feel the need to keep this thread alive:

Some gesture from life so you can get sick of them! Smile

DangerousLlama · Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:11 am

wish i could get closer...

DangerousLlama · Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:24 am

a quick still life done with tempera paints at the honolulu academy of art's art after dark thing

spooge demon · Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:41 am

Llama, those look good. You are getting much better.

Wish I could say the same. I really don't like this one. It could be the composition, the careful, stodgy rendering, the poorly understood anatomy, or all of the above.

Capt. Fred · Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:48 am

Swarm love the guy holding a beer : ) birnOut, incredibly nice studies. Llama, I like those two figures up the top especially, and Spooge, I think the deep dent in her face and the lack of unison between head and body take away from it's appeal, for me.

portrait of a friend, ten mins with cont�. First time I used cont� (I hadn't even known what it was Embarassed

) but I like it.

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@fred: me likes

Roma · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:41 am

wow! This thread kicks butts!
Spooge, Beat, Popeye, swarm, everybody: incredible work!!
makes me want to do more fig drawing (definitely one of my favorite areas), I wish I could do it all day... wouldn't be a bad life.

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kengi · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:59 am

roma, your'e right, this thread kicks butts!!
greate works guys.

hope you don't mind no-figure drawings :).

touched a little in ps of course.

spooge demon · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:58 am

kengi, those are nice.

spammmmmmmm alert

leander · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:50 am

I'm stunned watching works here

burn0ut · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:51 pm

spooge, great work man
and same with everyone,

2 from this week

watmough · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:23 pm

spooge,i love your watercolors.
varnum,thanks,your stuff is a great inspiration to me
swarm,burnout,roma,great
dangerous llama,i really like that still life
kengi,those are nice
i havent used watercolr in a loooooong time.

dammit,popeye,i forgot,awesome work!

Thomas Veil · junior member Member # Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 34

Great work all - keep it up.
Roma: I love these sketches - especially the powerful shading.
Popeye: Those face studies are great. Did you have some kinds of models for these?

Some sketchbook pages of the last days

Animals in a park

some guys playing football

The last 2 pages ar not very good - but its really hard to get something nice on the paper when the people are moving so fast.
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