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Zwaeback · Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:05 pm

http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html

The paint brush tool does what it's supposed to.

I was surprised that they had the download available. A few months ago I read a Kiwi tidbit about how Microsoft was going to release the software for tablet pcs.

balistic · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:53 am

Holy shit this is nice.
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Drew · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:17 am

I can only use 1/2 the canvas because where the cursor is and where the thing starts painting are two entirely different things. But from what I can see, it's digital painting without a lot of things that make digital painting worth doing.

balistic · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:21 pm

They state on the page that it's not meant to be an image editor, it's just designed to be a light, portable clone of traditional media.

And at that, it does far better than anything else I've seen. The oils are incredible. Best digital oils I've ever seen.

I wouldn't do a matte painting in it, but for quick sketching and studies? I think this is the perfect doodle tool (assuming you don't have cursor issues).
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burn0ut · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:01 pm

wow this is cool!

balistic · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:45 pm

edit: nevermind.
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burn0ut · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:36 pm

it is fun to play around with, but this is the reason i like using photoshop, because i dont have to deal with all the real world physics/whatever that you do with real oil painting. this program just takes you back to all the hassle of dirty brushes, cleaning them, no color picker, blah blah blah everything that makes oils a pain in the ass..

but i wish photoshop had a pencil tool as smooth as that... mmm

Zwaeback · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:47 pm

I read somewhere, maybe on Ambient's website, that the paint mixing palette in Painter 8 was designed by Ambient Design. It seems possible that the rest of Ambient's painting technology could make it into other software.

An added eye dropper tool...now, that would be sweet.

Jin · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:24 pm

Well, yes, ArtRage is already another software, though it's very simple.

It's true that the Ambient folks developed the Painter 8 Mixer palette and ArtRage's Oils brush is very similar to the Painter 8 Mixer palette brush.

I wonder if anyone's noticed the maximum dimension limit for ArtRage images is 1280 x 998 pixels and the resolution is 72 ppi when the exported image is opened in either Painter or Photoshop?

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Jimmyjimjim · member Member # Joined: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 459

What a great little program! Very Happy

It's not robust enough for professional work of course, but I think it would be excellent for color studies. Easy, too. I can't wait to show this to my niece and nephew (age 8 and 10). They'll love it.

tayete · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:09 am

I cannot make that wonderful oil brush small, so I can paint details with it...frustrating!
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SoulWorks · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:36 am

Hmm sounds and looks interesting.

balistic · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:57 am

Jin · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:00 pm

balistic,

Aha!

Thanks, balistic. My screen is set to 1280 x 1024 so that explains it.

tayete,

Drag your cursor to the left over the circle at the bottom left corner of the image window, where you see the Pencil stroke width. Or, click the minus icon until it gets down to 1%.

That's a pretty thin pencil line.

What I haven't yet figured out is why the pencil stroke was so light until I kept drawing and all of a sudden it got black like I wanted it to be in the first place. The color was already set to black, not grey, but the stroke at first kept being grey.

Still more to learn about this simple little program.

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YVerloc · Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:50 am

Jin,
Did you have a 'tracing paper' loaded? By default, the tool color is set to the 'underlying' tracing paper pixel color.

All - Anyone know any way to import other image formats NOT as a tracing paper? Seems like a pretty big oversight. I'd really like to be able to slop some paint around on top of some of my PS images.

YV

Jin · Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 1:26 pm

Hi,

No, I wasn't using the Tracing Paper option, and...

No, I don't know of a way to open another image in ArtRage, other than using the Tracing Paper option which isn't what you mean.

Lots of "oversights" in this little program. We're told that they intended to keep it very simple so anyone could use it, even someone who knows next to nothing about graphics programs.

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Lee Yiankun · Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:29 am

I'll be darn..
This is cool!

The oil's a killer. ^_<b

Impaler · Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:04 am

Despite all the "oversights", this program is pretty amazing for two reasons. 1. It's free. 2. it's 1.3 megabytes.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see this replace Paint as Microsoft's native sketch thingy a few years down the road.

EDIT: My ability to overlook simple functions like "EXPORT AS" is astounding.
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Meaty Ogre · Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:36 am

drew, the problem is you second monitor. i just shut mine off and the curser lines up now.

Drew · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:18 pm

Ah, thanks, that explains it. Too much trouble to go through for this little program, though.

Joseph · junior member Member # Joined: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 7

This tools pretty fun. I cant really see myself doing anything serious on it but maybe so sketches. It seems to be alot more receptive to my tablet which has some problems picking up the pen unless alot of pressure is apllied Confused

. The oil paint is really good. I'm not sure what the glass of water does?

Jin · Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:44 pm

Joseph · junior member Member # Joined: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 7

Wow thanks alot Jin. I'm not too wise about tablets. So this is a great help Smile

Lee Yiankun · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:47 am

Glass of water? I don't know.
Perhaps it's there to keep the color fresh & vivid when you paint with oil?

If you look at the color chooser, there's an "Autoclean" option that will give you the clue. ^_^

Jin · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:33 pm

About the Glass of Water:

Using the Oil brush, you may have noticed that when you paint with one color, change colors, then paint another brushstroke over the first one, some of the first brushstroke's color is dragged along with the second color. When you make the next brushstroke, some of that first color is still included in the brushstroke, though the main color is the second color you picked. This means the brush has been "dirtied" with the first color.

It also means that some color mixing can be done while painting, or just when you want to mix colors for the fun of it!

At the bottom of the Color Picker, there's a checkbox named Auto Clean. If you check that box, the brush will be automatically cleaned when you lift your mouse, or pen, and begin painting again.

Just to the left of the Color Picker is the glass of water, and if you don't have the Auto Clean box checked but want to clean the brush, just click on the glass of water and.. voila! The brush is clean again.

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