[Drunken Monkey]

Matthew, stereophoenix, Briscola thank you fellas. I didn't think that pic was good, but i guess i was wrong ;] I am enjoying every post you guys make.

Briscola, whats your background? Where have you studied?

3 hours... and all i have to show is this

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[Nimr0d]

oooowawaaWoohoowoawow is all I have to say.

OC stuff, all me


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[Briscola]

swampbug -> that monster was cool
drunken monkey -> I did illus at risd, then some film work and wound up by accident in the games business. how about you?
drunken muse -> for that half-modelled ship on p.271, in my original painting the ship was in the background and only the front half of it was visible. so unicron built that part and then asked me for an overpaint so he could complete it.

[Briscola]

workin some sweet jpg compression noise into this one

bubble chamber freak out doodle

[zhuzhu]

【NO.220】photoshop cs


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[drunken_muse]

Xia > Ah thanks.. I hadn't thought of doing a groupshot actually, but seeing how they're a squad, that's a good idea. :)
Nimr0d > killer sketches, especially the bike but the girl as well.

[spooge demon]

I really don�t know what good drawing is, I cannot define it absolutely. Traditionally, it is an academic idea, and the guys at art renewal would say that naturalism is good drawing. But there are people who have expanded the definition of what is good drawing. Take for instance Elliot�s girl at the top of this page. It is excellent! Everyone seems to like it. All those French dudes draw like a fish swims. But the proportions are funny and the arm is too short and the head is strange and the hip is missing, etc. So in the eyes of an academic purist this is bad drawing. So I would say that drawing is as subjective as any aspect of art, and has more to do with the emotional expression of form. If it looks wrong to you, it is wrong� to you. There is an old painting I did of a gladiator crouching. I was very happy with the gesture of it. But so many people says it looks messed up to them. So who is right? If you go with the expanded idea of what drawing can be, to include more expressive ideas, it becomes very subjective.

But the art renewal people and dim witted people in general, think they know what good drawing/art is. Even by their own definitions, some of the �living masters� in their �approved� gallery don�t know much, and it is pretty embarrassing in my eyes. I have watched them work first hand and listened to their narrations. I cannot prove that it is �bad,� because I do believe in my own conviction about how subjective things are. I can only say that I get cross-eyed looking at some of them. And if academic skill is the only thing you are selling, it is grim.

So as far as worrying about anatomy in these speed things, that is an involved question. But to make it simpler, if there is something that bothers the viewer, it is wrong to them. Others could like it. But usually these images are thoughts that have one or two goals in mind, like lighting or composition or even anatomy (maybe pay more attention then). I guess the shortest answer I could give is spending enough thought so that it does not stick out painfully.

Flushy, I am going to say something pretty harsh, so the rest of you go away for a minute I am roughly 15 years older than you, and I see a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses in your work and mine. You and I have a good handle on setting up a solid value structure and then playing with paint and light effects to keep the eye entertained. But you, like me, need more drawing. I just started about 3-4 years ago.. Don�t make the same mistakes I made, hiding behind piles of pretty paint, start now and learn more about drawing. Any painterly illustrative style depends on this more than anything. Your work will be better, faster, more flexible, and more profitable. You will learn faster as time goes on and the emergence of your own artistic personality will be much stronger. I had a teacher at AC that said plainly that in all the students he had seen, income was based on the ability to draw more than any other factor.

But you protest �you just said you did not know what drawing is!� That�s right I don�t, but I think that it has something to do with your own personal understanding the form and structure of the things around us, and figuring out how to express that on a 2-d surface. And to further explain my obnoxious comments about academic artists above, be very very careful of whom you listen to, and that includes me. I have seen way too many young artists get caught in the academic thing and never emerge. I can see them sitting before the feet of the robed master, as he tells tales of the greatness that they should all strive for, to immolate themselves on the pyre of 19th century masters, there is only one true path and all else lead to the dark side. So try to find people you can learn from, but a variety, not one (or one institution) who claims to Know, and says if you don�t listen you are Damned.

I went to ACCD and took some classes at Art Institute of California. Both are wonderful in their own way, both take themselves way too seriously. But that could be for marketing purposes. Nobody likes a wishy washy. �Pay us 100 grand and we will give you a fragmented idea of what we think art might be partially about� Not very good. Lets just say they have started to believe their own PR.

I don�t think this will happen to you, you are a little older, and maybe have a stronger personality and could tell them to shove it.

If you find yourself on your own, go to museums often, carry a sketchbook at all times (and even draw in it) and draw from life as much as you can. Learn about art history too. Draw and think while you are drawing. Spending 2 hours filling a background behind a head drawing with a 4H pencil is not the best use of time. I said all this before.

Ok if I slobber this much I have to post something.

[see]

Yes thats the answer i want to become one day ... but i think it will take another 15 years.

[Matthew]

Spooge, many thanks for your answer there, many thanks.

@ all others about anatomy, thank you guys for giving your view of things, I appreciate all answers, thank you guys.

Matthew

[BARoNTiERi]

Druracel!!

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[Drunken Monkey]

Will post 2 sp's later.

Spooge, that was by far one of the most valuable pieces of advice from you in a recent while. Would you mind being harsh more often and a nice guy less often?
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[beat]

part of a larger serie...one gimmick to rule them all.
I tried to keep them as simple as possible. they were done to be seen quite small btw.I was actually more concentrated than on most paintings, an excellent experience; I guess that's what is important in a "speedy" - 15 mn or so, right, but it won't do any good if they're not well spent on the subject IMHO. not saying anything new here, sorry.




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[Lunatique]

Beat- Ooooh, one of my favorites is back. You gotta post more man.

[Socar MYLES]

Look, a hideous, horrible garden gnome! I hate garden gnomes.
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[Bruzun]

Duracel: Nice one, i'm wondering if she's liking her boobs
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[Capt.FlushGarden]

Well Spooge this is why I like you so much! First time I looked at your stuff in that marathon book I never dreamed of you actually comparing me with yourself! I really like these fatherly-like advice that you post, and I wouldnt call it harsh at all. You should have seen me the first time I was going to have a "sketch meeting" with some other internet forum friends at a cafe, I was sweating! I just can't draw! so I really believe you're right about this, it's easy to make something nice by putting some back light on it, or make the picture darker, aso. I've always been a bit ashamed being able to paint but not draw, and now I realize it's pretty serious!

I won't write anymore about myself, but I want to thank you for the great advice and for not making me realize that myself when its too late(i hope its not already too late ehhe). I hope I won't go there! and in the future, when I'm 15 years more experienced, I will certainly try to help people as much as you do now!


Great speed paintings all! quality is rizing fast!

exept for this one ofcourse....

[Capt. Fred]

cool. All this advice going round, and all this talent. I feel like I'm at art school already! awesome

elliot: my favourites were called sczzzo and sczzzm or something I seem to remember. just awesome.
beat: really nice, man. I love that stuff.
flushy: I like how that road works.

Timetraveller getting suited up to go back in time.
"Does my ray-gun bulge?"

[Max]

I have to agree with Capt. Fred!!
Thanks alot for the advice spooge. That really gonna help me find my way in art.

Socar: I wonder how you can draw those well placed lines. I am not able to do this with my wacom. Absolutely nice pic!!!


crappy samurai pic...

[uglypixel]

It�s never good time to post crap especially not when so many good works around. These are bit old and just scribbles. Aren�t really speedpaintings as I worked several occasion with these but still I was working in haste. First two supposed to be illustrations for cd-jacket and third one other cd�s label, done for my friend band. Payment was one beer and a mug of coffee. And please don�t decapitate me for using photo in the label. At start I supposed to paint another cd-jacket, but it changed to printed cd-label and got hurried. So I scribbled and used shamelessly photo from my golf-trip to tunis. It�s an island where Martin shipwrecked in the song.

As my real life work has squeezed the last bit of me I�ve had no time for arts at all. But now I�m really trying to learn painting. All the time I scribble, sketch, think and observe. Maybe too many times I�ve stared the screen and followed Spooge�s dogma: �Think more paint less�. Now it�s time to paint more and this post is a mere start for it.




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[Mikko K]

Spooge> Thanks for sharing that info.

[Socar MYLES]

Max - Oh, I couldn't do that with a Wacom, either. They're ink drawings.
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[retro]

@flushgarden: for sketching i can only recommend the subway if your city got one. there are a lot of different people and they sit (relatively) still for a couple minutes, you can catch them doing usual things (though most of em read books/mags or play handy games). if you have no such thing available (generally) go where people are available in large masses.

btw: ironically to your problem i'm on the completely different end. i have been drawing for a couple years now, but i didnt start painting earlier than maybe a year and a half, and to cheer you up a little i can tell you this aint no fun either (sucking sucks).

@matthew: your latest jedi piece (p.273) rocks

[StylesDavis]

thanks spooge for sharing your thoughts!

captain, a fatherly advise i can give you: take acid! and draw like picasso for at least a couple of hours...! http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html
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[Duracel]

It's never time to think of crap when it ain't. Your's are as less crap as Flushgardens crap and all the other crap other good artist talk about every day.

@Barontieri Bruzun, thx - so hope you dont mixed up that i've queried a picture form elliot, too.

@Spooge, have too thank you, too! Great advice.


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Detailling a speedpainting is nothing but speedpainting in detail.

[Max]

Socar: Alright, now I am able to sleep again

[helltaxi]

ok, its not a painting, but it is speedy

quick self portrait

[watmough]

wow...this thread has made some kind of evolutionary leap over the last few days,to make up for the lack of spooge?anyway,everyone-damn good job,you guys are so inspiring,what can i say,spooge-again great advice its nice to have someone with experience giving some real,practical insight,thank you.
drunken monkey:i'm really feelin' what you have been doing
briscola:i think i like everything you do
beat:wow,really great
capt.flush garden:i love that snowy road
did this today-was reading about the mars lander

[Bruzun]

I hope Mignola's fans don't mind this crap
I still have to free my hand for this speeds, any red pills?


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[flaptraps]

i've been out for awhile, christmas break and stuff, but found some time before work this morning.

had to spend time with the friends and family:)


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[insane007]

Good stuff here everyone!

5 minutes?