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scabuX · Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 1:43 pm

So this is my first brush picture. So be carefull - to watching*g*

I am a noob- that's my opinion. Please tell me what you think and my mistakes, that would help me - to do it better for the next time. thx

http://www.scabux.de/gallery/art/Electroman.jpg

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scabuX · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 4:05 am

hm, okay they are over 150 klicks and no commtez....that means for me, that my first try is not good enough...okay....i'll work harder on me.

i hope my next one will be better....to get 1 comment *g*...

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AndyT · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 4:17 am

It's too blurry I guess. There's a sketchy look to it.
I guess most people look at it and something bothers them, but they can't tell what it is.
So they don't reply.

I think it would look more interesting if it wasn't that symmetrical.
Also the lighting seems wrong.

Don't the image tags work? Having to visit a link is something not everybody likes.
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scabuX · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 4:29 am

hm, okay i understand...the next time i try to make more detail - not so blurry and i post it direct here..okay thx for your answer AndyT.

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AndyT · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 4:47 am

Not just more detail ... I think you should read tutorials and threads.

Add more details in the areas of interest
... but that doesn't mean more lines.

Sometimes you can suggest details by simplifying

Try to define the form using values.

I think it's your approach that makes it look blurry.
Try to paint with normal hard brushes with different opacity.
Try not to use smudge or dodge/burn tools.

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vanishing · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:57 pm

this is just a opinion...
the smoky blue stuff on bottom.. i think u can make it look better if you make it look like the smoke is coming from him and not going at him. see the link to see what i mean..

sorry if you think i butchered your drawing =)

http://www.freewebs.com/thevanishing/drawings/temp1.jpg

if it doesnt show, please open this url up, sorry... my free site sucks.[/i]

scabuX · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:57 pm

gott damn it...it looks real better...this picture i did the first time with a tablet and photohop..i never done it before...i wish i could buy painter8. because that is looks better. (i think)

i have 6-10 different pictures about this one...and i thougt , that would the best one...you took it - maybe- for 5 minutes and it looks better...i think it looks so blurry because i used - i dunno the english wort - wishfinger.

So...you show me...that there is a little bit more in this picture than i did..thanks for drawing..it is helpfull for me.

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AndyT · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 3:12 pm

I think it's the smudge tool! Exactly!

You shouldn't use the fancy Painter brushes when starting out.
Try to get it right with normal round brushes. There's a good example in the speedpainting thread
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/probustion/nude.jpg
hope Probustion doesn't mind.
Always use the biggest brush possible for what you want to paint.
http://www.robertocampus.com
(It's a Painter Tutorial but the approach should also work in Photoshop)

Then start experimenting with custom brushes in Photoshop.

Painter brushes won't help as long as you don't know what you are doing.
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scabuX · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 3:20 pm

thx for your advice....than i am on the right way..a little bit*g*...first i did it that way - like you show me the link - and i thought - no that coudn't be good. you have to do it harder and than i took the smudge tool...so i forget this tool - burn it out of photoshop... tomorrow i'll check out the links...now i must sleep Wink

, maybe i'll post some sketches and started procets next time...see ya

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Tinusch · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:55 pm

It took me a few examinations to realize that this is actually a pretty interesting concept. It didn't grab me at first, which is why you probably didn't get many replies. What I think it is is that you have a very dramatic scene, but no lighting to convey that. You have some very strong light sources (each arm), and a secondary source on the bottom (blue swirl), but none seem to be having any effect on the character. I did a quick paintover to show what I mean... Sorry if I totally missed the point of what you were aiming for. (Keep in mind that my lighting is technically very wrong, but I'm just trying to show how use of lighting can contribute to the mood of the piece)

Also, don't be afraid to stray from the smudge tool. Be daring and lay down your strokes with the brush. It's a little less safe, but definitely creates a more solid piece in the end.

Tinusch · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 3:00 pm

Oh, and one more thing... I also recropped it for a more cinematic feel. I think your cropping was a little too broad and lifeless. Just a personal preference, I guess, but I thought it needed to be trimmed down slightly.

scabuX · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:43 pm

what should i say....i love my own picture and i didn't paint it this way...your are right when you say..in these picture were no "dramatic" or something this way...now..it is my opinion ...it is more"action"--life in these picture..

It is unbelievably what happends when you change the lights.

I took this picture and my old "finished" picture and it is so different..

thx to see what could be...it is astonish what you did without the original file.

i think i have understand what you mean..i will try to take it for my other pics.
I must revise the other pictures then also again*g*

here are some sketches and startet pictures...don't watch the light..i must do it again*g*, if you wanna see it.

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scabuX · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:20 pm

@ Vanishing
@Tinusch

thx for your time to show me my "mistakes". i forgott it to say. Embarassed

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scabuX · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:35 am

so it does not looks like yours...but i am thinking i am on the way...the most problems i have are the cabels - with the lights...hm...okay..it is an idea...i know i have to do more "action"...on the way

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CwStone · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:58 am

edge lighting. Edge lighting fixes all problems. Except if they cant be solved with edge lighting. Then ya got me partner.
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AndyT · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 9:10 am

scabuX · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 9:29 am

@CwStone i'll try it i'll try it Very Happy

@AndyT it was only a idea...to see if it looks okay or i put it in the trash Very Happy

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i would like to take it as a splash maybe. It should looks like a Card or something ...i'll see.

so i work first on the other one Wink

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scabuX · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:44 am

so i can't do any more...if i work 1 minute more on it...it gonna be worst.

With the eyes..it was an idea...i am not sure if it is good or not..

and maybe it is to much light in these picture !?!?!?

here it is Very Happy

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scabuX · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:56 pm

one more <spam>from me Wink

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Tinusch · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 7:30 pm

It's looking really good. You've made a lot of progress. But keep in mind where your lights are coming from, shade accordingly. Don't shade just for the sake of shading. You have two lights of equal brightness on each side of him, he should logically be lit equally from both sides. But it's looking pretty damn cool right now, it packs a lot more punch than the original did. Nice job.

scabuX · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 9:14 am

Tinusch thx for your advice..it was very helpfull for me.....with the shadows i inderstand...your right...i have to think about it the next time.

it push me that you like it now more*g*

It is astonish when i see my first "finish" picture and my last one...damn ..it looks real better, not so "explosive" than yours, but i am on the way

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