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Author   Topic : "-----Reflection----- Sorina RedFeather **Updated version**"
Snakebyte
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:05 pm     Reply with quote


Keep in mind that I have never drawn water before.

For those who have not seen here before, she is an elf Reflecting on that days battle.


I would love to get a critique!!

Original image 3000+ pix X6000 pix
2Gig opend and 370Mb saved

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****UPdate*****

****UPdate***** again 1-29-02 (Previous version Here )



Okay, What are you thoughts on this scheme? Personally I kinda like this version better, once I work on her highlights to accommodate the new lighting.

I did a little work on her minus highlights, which I’ll do later. I did not realize that I was drawing a claymore at the time; I just used a random reference. I saw an add on TV for a Claymore and noticed just how big they really were and had to change it.

Don’t know if I want to include to boats in this version, the problems you pointed out before are even more noticeable in this version.

I also replaced the hills, the originals were hastily done and not much effort was put into them.

Also, should she have a blueish tent as she had in the orange tented top version??

The size remains the same except the File size, it now at 2.2Gig open and 393MB saved…..

[ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: Snakebyte ]
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:56 pm     Reply with quote
I've been following your progress, but never really commented before. The first thing that hits me is the over-burning of the shades - also the hills in the background look very artificial and flat - it might be your color-scheme is too cartoonish to pull the pic off, i.e. the colors are too close to each other, it's like the pic is B&W (instead of it being Red&Yellow).

I have no critique towards the shape of the pic, only the shading, so forgive me (actually, now that I think of it, she is kinda in too much the middle of the pic ).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2002 5:58 pm     Reply with quote
heh, I didnt use burn... But I know what you mean
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2002 1:57 pm     Reply with quote
Beautiful elf rendering. The skin tone looks great, and I love the color scheme. Overall, a very nice piece or art. I think some reference pics or life drawings of the rocks, grass, etc would help you out. Keep up the good work, I'd love to see what you come up with next time.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2002 2:53 pm     Reply with quote
It looks watery enough to me,
I think the "dull" tones are nice, it makes for a somber and calm picture. There are two things I am sceptical of, though. The first is the left ship - I think we would be able to look down onto its deck from where the viewpoint is. The waters are too calm for it to go prancing like that. Second, the hills in the background are far less developed than the rest of your picture, which drags the whole image down in my opinion. But overall, it works for me. Good painting.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2002 5:15 pm     Reply with quote
Woah... those foreign chicks sure dont't know when to wax. :P lol.. Nice job.. I like.

Very old looking style.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2002 4:47 pm     Reply with quote
This is my first post.. feel honored!!
I love this! From what I've seen this is your best yet. It reminds me of a scene from Heroes of might and magic III. I love everything about it, except her sword. What is that? A miniaturized claymore?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:21 pm     Reply with quote
The CG is amazing, however I found some crits on the art. The pose seems, note right, to me. I think it's the breasts. They seem, out of preportion? The elbos are also out of preportion, they need to be higher. There to low. And for a personaly crit, you might want to add somewhat of a blue tint to the water.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:00 pm     Reply with quote
Her figure is off. Arm too short, torso too short, and her breasts are angled funny.

The perspective in the background appears off. The angle you have drawn her in gives the impression the horizon should be a lot lower. Remember, your vanishing points/line also apply to the figure too, as it is part of the whole scene.

I suggest you look at some reference for trees, rocks, grass, mountains, clouds...etc.

Keep in mind that labouring oever a tight rendering will not automatically make a great painting. Your drawing in the initial stage has to be rock solid first.

This piece has potential--keep trying.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:28 am     Reply with quote
Snakebyte, by no means did I mean you used the burn tool, but that the colors (hi-lites) are burned, i.e. the effect you get when you have (too) much light hitting the surface. And sorry if my post sounded negative, that wasn't the intention; the time was late and I could only come up with (negative) critisizm.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2002 9:53 pm     Reply with quote
I wish updating your post **BUMPED** it up
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:47 pm     Reply with quote
Crit: Her breasts are still kinda odd, the grass in the foreground seems too even green (should have a hint of red from the sunset?) and the reflection of the mountains look like you just mirrored them and put on top of the water 50% multiplicative. Also I liked her nose in the previous version.

The new color scheme is kinda nice, but then again it's not as original as in the previous version - also comparing to the older pic the sea now seems empty (or perhaps also too light in some areas).

Feels like you're getting into a similar point I usually get - sort of freaking out because can't really tell how to finish a pic; is one thing better than the other, which way should you really go - and then there's ten people giving advice. Crazy I know, but just hold on!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:40 am     Reply with quote


This may help with my pose.
This is how I see her standing, most of her weight on her left leg and leaning on her banner. It may not look like in the pic (inability to draw it correctly) but that was the idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:44 pm     Reply with quote
Also, is the the norm for any of you??



and would close up's be of any help?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:39 pm     Reply with quote
Pretty cool I like the way you set up the scene.Come to think of it ,its been a while since I drew an elf,oh well, keep it up

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