[Matt Elder]

G'day spooge demon. It's good to see that you are taking the role of 'teacher' in this one. Obviously a bit of a commitment and greatly appreciated by members here. I think the issue would be, how do you chose the 14 'lucky' people. I seem to remember a year ago something like this happened and someone suggested giving 'lessons' to a select group and this wasn't recieved well. I think it is best to post the general 'assignment' and allow people to post.

There is value in just seeing how other people attempt the same problem. Obviously part of doing art is being able to analysis works for yourself.

I think this way, you will be able to see a variety of 'solutions' to the same problem. Thus, you can make general comments that people should consider. Even with this 'simple' cube and cyclinder, many people do shadows in different ways. Thus you could make general comments about shadows, ask people to think about shadows or you may see how a particular person has attacked the problem and analysis this. Thus the benefit is to everyone and people will get out of it what they put into it.

I think you will find that after a several lessons, you might get 'expontential decay' in the number of people who follow all the lessons as other committments and time pressures emerge. Keeping the idea that you must do one after the other might be a good idea. Thus, almost through natural selection, it might be possible to figure out who will follow it all the way through and without disadvantaging anyone. I could be wrong about this though

[Aimok]

nil900:

hi,yeah i send u an Email, to [email protected](without the dot at the end...i hope thats right
Cyas

[S4Sb]

I think Baldies and Matt Elders ideas will be useful to the biggest number of people.

[S4Sb]

And maybe you give a tutorial in painchat? http://drawsomething.com:3100/p.html

But then please make up a time. How many people can be handled by paintchat?


that would be very cool..

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[Talomez]

Hope it`s not to late to join in.
Here is my try


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[gowansy21k]

I am extremely pleased to see something like this in the forum, i have had my Wacom Intuos 6 x 8 since June, and well to be honest i really dont know where to start!

These lessons should give me help and advice, of which i can participate and compete in...

However i dont like the idea of only a select group of people, i'm a complete newbie to this, i have no idea what to do...


I seem to have serois trouble in drawing with the tablet, due to the fact that when i sketch on paper, i rotate it a lot, i cannot do this with Photoshop.

Another thing is, i dont even know what tools to use to paint! (I'm sounding completely stupid here, and some will laugh...) I mean, is it the Paintbrush tools, or the Airbrush tools?

I like the gradient on Nil900's work, however i have big trouble in achieving it, i'm 15yrs old and doing well in my Art classes, (averaging around A* - B) Just i seem to have trouble with this, its jumped ahead a bit

Oh also another thing i forgot, what tool do i use to sketch with in Photoshop?

[Matt Elder]

Heya gowansy21k. I don't actually use the wacom for sketching. I find that using traditional pencil and paper and scanning is much better. Maybe with more practice and developing custom brushes for photoshop, this would be different. I think if you are just starting out, it is another place for things to 'go wrong'. Just learn how to walk before you run.

For painting, people have different tools they like to use. Try a 'quick' painting just using the paintbrush tool. Then try another 'quick' painting using the airbrush tool to see what the differences are. Generally I always use the paintbrush tool with a hard edge. If you use a soft edge, you will find that your image with look blurry and 'soft'. Keep at it as it does take a bit of practice.

[gowansy21k]

Thank for the reply Matt Elder much appreciated, I've heard a lot of replies saying sketching traditional is better than sketching on the wacom, however, i'd like to learn sketching on the wacom, because many times for me its awkward, the scanner is connected to the my Dads computer (aint networked)and i regurarly have to lower the quality to fit on floppy disk, and using CDs is a waste of money...
Do you know any sketching guides for the wacom?

I've also noticed the blurry effect on the softened brushes. I've found i prefer the hard edged paintbrush tool better, i just dont know how to do those gradients on the cylinder, Nil900 explained it awkwardly

Thank for the reply and i'll post my image very soon, in black & white, seen as spooge recommended we should...

This topic is great

[gowansy21k]

Hmmm, dont laugh
Is it my rubbish drawing, or was everyone this bad with a wacom when they first started... I said i would do it in b&w some how i done it in colour...

[gowansy21k]

LOL, forgot to add, i never done the table and sky due to the fact, i didnt know how to do it

I got stuck and need help.

[-Tepox-]

Hi gowansky21k! I just strongly suggest you to do some painting experiments and don't be afraid to fail! just try something out. Experience is the word!

[nil900]

Hi!
I agree with you Matt in most parts. I think that the choosen people version could even provide a deeper training experience for everybody because of seeing the whole part of a person developing a better knowlege about light and colour could be watched 15 times. Not only "usual" chosen parts of a the whole thing. Even if I wouldn't be one of these 15 guys I don't know if I wouldn't prefer the chosen people version. One thing seems to be very important to me: everybody should be allowed to post his pics in the same post. If spooge got his 15 people he gives crits to, the others could discuss the problems of the other ones. Each version probably has good and bad sides. I think spooge has to choose the best version
if he still want's to do this. It's not important to me how this thing is gonna happen, I just want to take part in it somehow.


gowansy21k: Thank you for the kind words about my painting style but you should take a close look at the others. There are some who do far better than me. I just tried to record a painting like this in photoshop then I noticed that Photoshop doesn't record the brush strokes (right word?). I can do a script in painter 6. If you've got a wacom you schould have a demo version of painter, too. I just don't know how big these scrips are (file size) and where the programm saves the files.
If somebody tells me I'll put one in the net to show you how I did these two pics. If that won't work I'll try to explain it again.
The second one looks much better than the first. Just keep enjoying painting and you will learn fast I think.

Hope all of you understood my strange sentences.

[gowansy21k]

Thank Tepox, i've done what you said, and i think i'm improving already (well i think i am) Here it goes, my 2nd attempt...

[oscar]

Here's my cartoony rendition. Used complimentary colours for shading.

[gowansy21k]

Hehe, thanks Nil900

You da man, i'll keep trying, its obvoiusly showing i'm improving a slight bit, the more i try.... You never know, at the end of these tutorials i might be fairly good (i just hope they keep going, there interesting and helpful, plus all the good people like to show off, and make newbies like me jealous )

[Aerocobra]

[MoNkEy LoVeR]

I've been visiting this place for a few weeks, but never really posted. I'm learning techniques, and I prefer to observe than to create. Hope you like these (done in Paint shop Pro 7.02), it's supposed to be comical-ish, coz I'm not too good with textures at the mo.





P.S. That's REALLY COOL Aero must have taken a good while.

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[Takara]

Better late than never.

[cyBeAr]

[Mime]

I'm really interested and willing to do this Spooge, if there is any room left of course

[cyBeAr]

Not sure if I got what craig suggested right. I see the point in removing as many variables as posibble since I don't really know what I'm doing.



The ground in my colour one was really crappy resulting in that it doesn't really look like the primitives are standing on it.

[Ben Barker]

Feh. It's magical! The more you look at it the worse it gets....
I better stop now.

[Hunter]

I couldn't resist! Here is my $.02

-BH



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[Wongtam]

It's really my first attemp at doing any digital art. I've posted my picture. But I was wondering if you guys knew a good site that begins from beginning. Tx alot

btw, I didnt not work on the ground way outta my field yet. Still experimenting with brushes and stuff. Was done with the mouse, but Im getting a pen/tablet soon. DUnno if that'll help.



Wong

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[Xeo]

Ooh this is fun, here's something I whipped up. I'm not that good at painting in photoshop so could someone give me some tips?

[dr . bang]

finally i have sometime to do this, here's my try




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[Gulder]

A bit plain, but hey... I tried.

[ScoobyDoo]

Sorry Im late for class teacher!

This is what I came up with.