[stneil777]

well i was bord and i wanted to draw homer so i desided to make it like a painting portrait hope yall like it
critizm excepted
[img]http://www16.brinkster.com/neil777/homer.jpg

[stneil777]

oops here he is

[Ian]

mmmm, thank god for the internet and the smudge tool.

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[travis travis]

what's your method? in places it does just look like smudge tool and some pic of 3d homer so your going to have to tell us what actual work was involved if you want opinions

[Starscream]

I have to agree with the previous replies. It looks like you took a 3d image of homer and smudged it a lot.

[stneil777]

no i painted it my methode is alot like the man who owns this site.
i start off with the line drawing then fill in the colors flat cartoon then select the area's and paint shadows and highlight.
then i painted the backround on a different layer
then on the top layer i smoged his shirt because i wanted it to look like he was fading into the backround.
so yes i accually painted him i do not know weather to take your comments as complements or not

[Ko]

critizm excepted ??? WTF does that probopopskrinate?

Ko

[trudel]

LOL

[black_fish]

Another smudger/tracer guy.... When will they understand that it's better to post nothing thant to post something that makes you look like a fool?
You're a fool Mr Stneil, and possibly a liar. What's up with the shit collar? What technique did you use on that?

[stneil777]

dude i do not like to be called a liar man if you want i can paint it agian with a tutor on how i did it.
The callor was easy every heard of masking.
Use the strait selection tool mask of the shap you want then fill it in easy sharp edges or another way use the pen tool make the shape then right click and eaither fill in or you can even have it follow path with pen tool.
man i hope you people stop calling others liars man just because i did ok work with a dam mouse.
who ever calls me a liar do you want me to post a few inbetweens i can repaint this in 30 minutes just for you unbelievers that would rather asume then to think

[Isric]

I think they're all just mad cause you didn't mention you used a reference. If you use a reference, you have to say it, or you're stealing.
Common guys, give him ah breek, it no sownd english his first langooage.

[Subliminate]

I don't know........ at this point it's really hard to tell, your talent fluctuates like the temperature here in AZ... Someday's you're really good at shading and blending and other days your work looks really dirty... like you're angelic pic you posted on [tool]Ender's thread. It's really clean, which is way better than you other works.

Another thing is that you're coming up with these pieces REALLY quickly, only Enayla's that fast but she has more experience than almost any of us. It takes me 6 hours on average for the "crap" that I do. But I gaurantee you wont find anything NEAR to similar with my work...

Finding a style is time consuming but pays off in the end, I don't know what your style is... do you use 3d Studio Max? Photoshop? both? Some things irk me, but anyway, I'll be quiet...

[stneil777]

I don't know man i don't have a style and if i do have a style it best called the man with a 1000 faces.
I mean i have a style but my style is 1000 faces.
i do alot of things man alot. I play guitar, well any ways lots of talents and yes i work this fast. I can redue that homer in like 30 minutes.
I primarly use photoshop. i don't know how to use 3d max or any of those 3d programs for that metter.
the goblin face i am working on i put about 5 houts into it so far

[This message has been edited by stneil777 (edited April 07, 2001).]

[stneil777]

oh and by the way i use only a mouse right now i can't afford a waccom or what ever its called itrous
just mouse that all i have

[roundeye]

yes, yes, we all know. you dont have a 'mouse pen'.
but i dont care what the situation is, its never cool to discourage a young artist. (im not innocent by the way) can you imagine if you heard shit like that when you were a kid? (not just this thread)... i was fortunate enough not to have. cuz im so sensitive, it would have killed me. maybe i would have stopped alltogether.
i know im a bleeding heart, just be helpfull. deep down thats what hes looking for: assistance from people he admires... in addition, he has more drive than people who are way more experienced than him... just a drunkin rant...

oh and stniel777, when i stopped drawing for a year, all i did was make music, i found it a somewhat adequate substitute.

yea yea i ramble on, i know...

[stneil777]

wait who did i say anything bad about?

[Ko]

I don't know why I even bother...
But I'm so bored, ooops! back to painting.



Ko

[travis travis]

I think that shows exceptional promise then if you painted it up on your own, what was suspicous to many people I think is definitely the shirt collar - it looks like rendered edges and not drawn

[sacrelicious]

Stneil777, I think that roundeye is talking to the people who responded to your post, not you.

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[EviLToYLeT]

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I may be completely wrong about everything I'm saying.. if so, i'm sorry.

The following are just my beliefs... if they hold true, then perhaps you need to question your own motives and start fresh/confess... if they don't just ignore this whole reply all together. and great homer.

... ok.. i'll try to say this as nicely as possible. Whatever I say. will probably reflect what the majority of those on the forum think.

a.) You have no right to take over other people's posts and just place your pictures in them. Giving some shit critique for example "I really like the lighting, but cceck out the lighting technique I use in mine." and then pasting your picture. Kindly make your own post and place your picture there, there's plenty of harddrive space on the server.

b.) let me quote this
"critizm excepted"
honestly.. with an attitude liek that your not going to get anywhere. That's like asking us to do your bidding. Keep in mind that the majority of us are actually very busy and may not even have time to answer. So please do not demand from us otherwise you'll get less posts.

c.) I want to see you paint another picture of homer. Ko brought up a good point and the posture and everything looks exactly the saem. Cept you took your little smudger and smudged a bit here and there and added some white on the back.... but then again.. you may have actually drawn it but you NEED to say that you used a reference instead of saying it was all original.

d.) stop bitching about your mouse... and how you dont have a graphire/intuous/whatever and that your art sucks. There were a few fellows with mouses that made awesome work. For example.. bj19x or whatever his name was. But... since you seem to be so talented why dont you scan in some pencil drawings?

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[This message has been edited by EviLToYLeT (edited April 06, 2001).]

[stneil777]

Well i am sorry that you feel that way. Hey i cannot convence you i guess. But for you I will be posting a step by step of homer then maybe you will believe me.
well i am sorry if anything i have done has offended you. Everyone is welcome to post there work in my threads accually i recomend it. And i go by bible that says love others as you would love your self. So i seen nothing wrong with posting my work in other threads for what ever reason i felt the need. I would hope everyone else felt as comfurtable.
But if it offends you that much i will make sure to never post them in your threads
oh and the mouse thing i say it on everyone that i free hand painted for those that have not seen my other post know that i work with a mouse but i guess according to you everyone knows now so thank you for letting me know.
And its good for you to get how you feel off you back it really is i thank you for that. I wish more people in life would do that same.
Well if anything else offends you let me know please for i can mold me self around it

[Totally]

stneil, it is typically an accepted thing that we just don't post our work in other people's threads. If you want to post something that you've done in another's thread and they do not ask for it, just post the link (don't put the img tags in there), and only post the link if you think it's helpful for the artist... Most of the time (not always), a thread in the gallery/finished work is meant to show that artist's finished piece, not somebody else's work. It kinda throws people off when they see other people's work in somebody's thread, and is much more respectful to, at most, post a link if you have something you feel would be of help to somebody else.

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[stneil777]

ok here it is i only spent a few minutes on this just to give you a basic idea.

[TheEyeless]

i think this only shows how you painted the face.

but his shirt really looks like the one on the render 3d homer..
which doesn't necessaryly mean that it was not painted by you.imho.

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[stneil777]

oh man i give up i hope you are joking man.
here look at a radio i did

this was all done with just photoshop nothing else just photoshop agian nothing else lol man you guys are to much

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[DRAGooN of deranged]

i think it's kinda same story like the one of 'made' (scene pixlers should know him).
the pics he released looked all the way like boris valejo's, and i mean all the way. for me, they looked like 1:1 copies, just scanned and downsampled 8bit. proofs are here: http://www.kameli.net/nocopy .
i tried to talk with him about that, but he ment, he did this all by himself with valejo as reference. well, call me over critic, but in my eyes that aren't just inspired pics, that are rips. talked long time with niels from http://gfxzone.planet-d.net about that, he agreed with me.
but when you now look at newer pics from made, they aren't copied. all done by himself. what i'm trying to say.. if one copies good artists for learning about techniques they used, it's okay, but when these pics are posted, there should be some kind of note that a reference was used..

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[stneil777]

you guys are crazy i already said i looked at the picture of homer first because i could not draw him from memory lol
Do you think michael angelo if he was alive and posted a painted would say oh by the way i payed someone to stand in front of me for a refurance get real man.
its s cartoon and i looked at a picture.
besides this was not about weather i looked at a picture people were trying to say i just smuged up a jpg from the net i hope by the step by step i proved them fat liars.
well if anything it was fun to argue with everyone but i have nothing else to prove if you cannot see by now that i do not smuge up pictures then you will just never see. Like men in the bible some were just blind could not see truth and to hell they went.

[waylon]

Well, I, for one, believe you 100% that you didn't just smudge the 3D image. I mean, the colors are different, the lighting is different, hell, even most of the details in the form of his face are different.

However, I'm with everyone else that it's good to say right off the bat if you used another picture as reference. It really helps avoid messy situations like this.

But I do have to contest your comment about Michaelangelo. Drawing from life is completely different than drawing a copy of someone else's picture. When you draw from life, you need to come up with your own composition, lighting, pose, colors, etc. That's what art is all about - mimicing life in an aesthetically pleasing way. But if you copy someone else's picture, you're taking away all the important decisions, and all you're doing is copying shapes. It can be a good exercize, but to say "I made this from scratch" is morally wrong.

I think a lot of forum members agree with me on this point, which is why people get such negative responses when they copy a picture and someone else points it out.

[edit] And shame on the rest of you for pointing your finger so quickly. Especially about the collar bit. Yes, it looks sharper and more 3D than the rest of the image. No, it looks nothing like the 3D rendering. [/edit]

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[Gecko]

This is just ridicilous.

Stneil, keep up the good work, don't mind about the dimwits that have been throwing mindless accusations at you. I totally believe you painted the pic by yourself. Using smudge tool might not be the cleanest possible way to do it, though. Paintbrush tends to give better results with that, esp. with the hard-edged brushes.

People with negative replies: really, time to shut the hell up. The guy is trying, and anyone with half a brain can see the pics would never overlap. Assuming you have 2 halves, use the second one to realize that when painting an existing character, you probably are gonna look at some reference.

stneil: on the forums people don't normally like other users posting their pics on the same thread, unless theyre overpaints or threads like the mech thread, 500 paintings, and so forth. Please discontinue doing it even if you feel it's ok. Also, it's nice to mention if you've used reference, but if people like fallen (on the top of mind because of the thread a few days back) can trace pics and mention it a year later, not having their heads chopped for it, i'm sure you can use reference as well and shouldn't be punished for not giving it out. Then there are the pro artists, who use reference too or parts of photos, but everyone just seems to assume they make everything up in their pics with their godly talent.

Now, if anyone here ever feels the need to discourage some starting artist and kill his/her future on the field, feel free to hit yourself with a pipe, after you've logged off from polluting the forum.

That is all.


edit: Amen, waylon. You beat me to it.

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[assa]

Maybe a bit offtopic, but still..

DRAGooN of deranged :

The "no copy" vs. "reference discussion is
very very very old and kinda boring, we had
this discussion in the demoscene 4 years ago.

I can tell you 1 thing, carlos (Made) did
not simply scan his pics, converted those
scans to 8 bit etc. and called them "hand
pixeled".
I agree his old pictures are not that orginal
but that's not the same as calling those
pictures an instant rip off! (not a 100% quote hehe).

Known demoscene artists like Danny, Made etc.
were allways accused of scanning & ripping by
ignorant and jealous lamers (like the guy who
wasted his time on that nocopy page hehe).

I prefer orginal concepts too, but doing
Boris like fantasy art was simply a trend in
the old demoscene.

Anyway, it's a complex and old discussion.
This homer simpson doodle can not even be
compared to the stuff done by Made or any
other demoscene (pixel)artist.

Who cares if he has 'cheated'! You only f*ck
yourself by 'stealing, ripping etc.' other
people's work, cuz you don't learn ANYTHING
from it. It will simply backfire in the long
run.

Just ignore such efforts or make up your own
mind. Do whatever makes you feel good about
yourself hehe..

assa
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