[Liquid!]

Here's a shameless plug for the posters mentioned above and pics of them. Keep im mind that the frames are NOT included! And that taking pics of framed posters behind glass with a digital camera is a bitch...





[This message has been edited by Liquid! (edited January 23, 2001).]

[Chapel]

Pretty cool posters.

[ceenda]

Excellent, thankyou!

[lostpapers]

After looking at all the pictures presented here I must admit that I'm really amazed at the control you have on your coloring of metallic surfaces. I know those reflections are far from reality, but hey! it works well!

Also, as a newbie here also, I have to say that I really appreciate that porfessionnal like you take the time to discuss on forums and give advices, or even accept to discuss their choices.

So excellent work.

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[Liquid!]

I know what you mean. There is an amazing amount of talent on these boards. A large percentage of them professionally working in some art field or another, so having your work critiqued here is an opportunity that you really can�t get anywhere else. I also think that the overall atmosphere on this board is usually extremely helpful and supportive, which again is a credit to the people frequenting here.

-c

[Ctrl+Z]

Liquid! would you mind if i could get a shot at the orginal blak and white? i'd like to try and color that.

please thanks jakeb

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[CapnPyro]

Pencil- http://www.joemadureira.com/images/mad_evepencils.jpg

Ink- http://www.joemadureira.com/images/mad_eveinks.jpg

Color- http://www.joemadureira.com/images/eve.jpg

These are all, of course, off Joe Mad's site, http://www.joemadureira.com/

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[Ctrl+Z]

thank you sooooooooo much i think i love you

it'd be cool if i could get the other =D


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[This message has been edited by Ctrl+Z (edited January 26, 2001).]

[strata]

Sorry for asking what is probably a pretty dumbass question, but what's all those x's supposed to represent in the pencil pic? =)

As you might figure I know square shit about the way you're supposed to draw these things

[CapnPyro]

hehe the X's mean black. Ocssionally you'll see BWS, that means Black With Stars. Thats about the only penciller lingo i know of

[strata]

ooooooh... That makes more sense... I was trying to compare it to the colored version to see if it was light sources or places where the light would reflect or something but it was... all black.
Clever of me to make that connection... "HMMMM it's all black where there are x's... wonder if that's light sources?"
well bah. =)

Thanks tho

[Liquid!]

CTRL+Z - Make sure you post it when you're done!

[Ctrl+Z]

sure will bud and at the other site too.

man this image is huge image!!!



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[cayne]

Hey Liquid,

Great stuff. Just a question- would it be advantageous to colorists if the pencilers used a wacom tablet and just e-mailed the photoshop files to the people coloring the images rather than the traditional paper and pencil? My thinking is that this would enable the pencilers to work in higher resolutions and put in more details and it would also enable the coloring guys to do the same and then the image could be resized to whatever dimensions necessary for print. What do you think?

One more question, if pencilers were working in this way do you know if it would still be necessary to have people go over the linework with ink? Of course, this is assuming that the lines are dark enough for print. Any thoughts?

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[Ctrl+Z]

just a bit of work



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[Liquid!]

quote:

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Originally posted by cayne:
Hey Liquid,

Great stuff. Just a question- would it be advantageous to colorists if the pencilers used a wacom tablet and just e-mailed the photoshop files to the people coloring the images rather than the traditional paper and pencil? My thinking is that this would enable the pencilers to work in higher resolutions and put in more details and it would also enable the coloring guys to do the same and then the image could be resized to whatever dimensions necessary for print. What do you think?

One more question, if pencilers were working in this way do you know if it would still be necessary to have people go over the linework with ink? Of course, this is assuming that the lines are dark enough for print. Any thoughts?

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Not sure if this would work. There are several issues here. Does the artist in question want to draw on a wacom? Keep in mind that drawing on a wacom, "drawing" not painting, is a very different thing. Most guys I know would not trade their pencils in for a tablet. Also since you can scan the drawings, they can already be emailed, you don't have to create the drawing in the computer. Also fine detail in drawing is easier achieved with a pencil than a wacom tablet where pixelation occurs somewhere along the line. If you want it to show up more, just scan it at a higher dpi, which is still useless to some degree since the LPI in print determines your maximum DPI.

Just my thoughts.

-c

[cayne]

Thanks for the answer, Liquid.

If an artist did want to use a wacom to "pencil" their pages, would it require any special treatment before sending it to the coloring guys? I realize that's an obvious question, but I want to make sure that there isn't something that I don't know about.

Also- if this isn't being too forward- what is a ballpark number that I could expect to be charged to have pages colored? If that's something that you would not rather disclose in a public forum would you mind e-mailing the information to me? It doesn't have to be an exact quote. I just want to have an idea of the numbers involved. Thanks again for your help.

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[DarkGarden]

Oh man, now he wants to put all the poor tracers out of work.

heh

Honestly though cayne, I hope you won't mind me taking a bit of a stab at your questions here.

Inking finished pencils is an art all to itself. The reason that most pencilers don't ink our own stuff.....is because we can't.....or at least it's tough to change the way you look at a page, to translate that into absolute black. It's always the joke about "tracing", but a good inker completely changes the translation of penciled work, while still keeping the penciler's look, and feel. When you do a page in pencils, you usually depend on tonal quality and shades to tell the story of depth, form, and transition. It's true that crosshatching is basically flat tones, but the artist is still "seeing" it all in shades of grey. Inkers translate that into line weight, gaps, even extra crosshatching or line work if absolutely needed.

Never underestimate those ink folk....a good inker can make a mediocre penciler look great...a bad inker can make an amazing penciler look like shit.

As for the question about Wacoms...Ye Gods...just the suggestion that I give up my 2H leads is sacrilege Honestly though, you have to work at a decently high resolution, keeping your files (pages) 11" x 17". If you're doing full bleed pages, you can have your panels, or splash anywhere in that area, but keep in mind that you want to leave space for your word balloons within the central 10" x 15". If you aren't working full bleed, then stick to drawing within that 10" x 15" as well.

As far as "treatments" I'll leave that up to the colouring genius But, I will say that you'd want to make sure that your files have as little tonal deviancy from black and white as possible. In other words, no "semi" black lines. Flat black, Bright white, and leave the shades to the Liquid colour gods.

Okay, that's way too much rambling already...I'm going to go hug and squeeze my Staedtler pencils now. I think you hurt their feelings.

heh

Peter

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[This message has been edited by DarkGarden (edited January 27, 2001).]

[Chapel]

Just to chime in since I always do.. Brian Bolland a pretty popular cover artist in comics does everything on the PC. "Pencils" to color.

The only problem as far as paper or wacom is that most artist don't carry over the same dexterity and hand to eye coordination with a wacom as they do with pencil. I'm sure there are a few out there that probably could besides Bolland. Some inkers have also tried to ink digitally as well.

The resolution argument doesn't really hold up since pencilers already draw on a surface larger than the final print. Most of them do email their work, so that has already been done also.

DarkGarden: The "tracer" joke is funny when you just mention it once.

[This message has been edited by Chapel (edited January 27, 2001).]

[cayne]

Hey Darkgarden and Chapel,

Thanks for your replies. You both bring up good points and I appreciate your input.

No, I don't want to put the inkers out of work... um, do I? Have to see if I'm busy tomorrow- no, that's the day I take over the U.N. after establishing my dictatorship on a small pacific island. Sorry, maybe next week.

I just wanted to see if there were any concerns from a coloring point of view as far as doing pictures on a wacom. My feeling is that if you draw pictures with a wacom- with the right frame of mind- that you are essentially inking them as you go... but I may be wrong. That has been known to happen- everywhere except on my small pacific island.

By the way, I really hope my questions about inkers didn't offend anyone. I'm just trying to think about new ways of doing things. That's all. My questions and comments aren't meant to belittle anyones abilities or interests. I realize how much talent that takes- I know I couldn't do it.

Thanks again for everyone's input. You know, if you can draw pictures on a wacom in absolute blacks and white (like an inker does) maybe it would put the pencilers out of business... nah, probably not.



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[CapnPyro]

I consider myself an *ahem* penciller and Ive tried to 'pencil' with a tablet and it just doesnt feel the same. it doesnt feel as precise I guess.

Anyway, at the start of this thread chris mentioned the eve tradepaperback which reminded me there is a battle chasers collected book. I ordered it at the start of this thread and just got it today heh. Along with #6 and7, im a comic book fan but had never read any BC before Cool stuff. Also if your a dangergirl fan #7 kicks ass.

heh... im gonna go back to readin muh comics

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[cayne]

Yeah, I picked up a copy of the battle chasers graphic novel. It was the first time that I had read Madureira's work. Good stuff.

As far as "penciling" with a wacom, it does take getting used to and you really have to tweak the brushes in photoshop and stuff like that. I normally draw in hi-res (around 3500 x 3000 or up) and then I'll scale it down to whatever size it should be at the end.

Ah, the wacom may not be for everyone, but I like drawing in photoshop because I can flip things with the click of a mouse, rotate, scale, anything I want to do without having to draw the entire image over again from scratch. That's the plus for me, but I realize that it may not be for everyone.

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John Ward

[Freddio]

is this topic still goin on ?

[Ctrl+Z]

http://ctrlzproduction.com/images/newwork/test-eve8.jpg


some more work on it.

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[KroM]

I've alway been a big fan of the Liquid! coloring group. It's neat to see a fully "painted" pic from you guys. Kind of an inovative comic art/digital painting cross breed. Good stuff, if not alittle too shiney.

Does Liquid! have a website? I've really, really wanted to find one, but I can't find it? If you guys do, please send me the link, or at least post it up here, it would be very cool of you.

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[CeRbErO]

Whoa!!! That is so awesome! Really great coloring. I like the gray tones alot.
The highlights on the blue stuff are perfect too!

[Edit]
Didn't realize I was so late

I'm wondering something about comics, what kind of paper does the inking artist use ?
And, does he use pens or brushes ?

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www.cerberodesign.net

[This message has been edited by CeRbErO (edited January 31, 2001).]

[Liquid!]

quote:

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Originally posted by CeRbErO:
Whoa!!! That is so awesome! Really great coloring. I like the gray tones alot.
The highlights on the blue stuff are perfect too!

[Edit]
Didn't realize I was so late

I'm wondering something about comics, what kind of paper does the inking artist use ?
And, does he use pens or brushes ?

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Sorry - I don't mean to keep "reviving" the thread.

The answer is that most comics are drawn on Bristol board 2ply or 3ply. It is 17inches X 11inches and most companies make their own. However, you can buy the paper, albeit not pre-cut, in most artstores.

-c

[Putzcommander]

Hey, I thought this was awesome. I'm not very good at this and I can't draw for beans but I was wondering if you could critique the pic, I did it by mouse and I know it's not very dark. I tried to clean up her hand too so it looks more attractive insted of the skeleton like hard that was there before. I love the blue color so I tried to incorporate it in my own colorings, Please tell me what you think

Mike, [email protected]


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[Putzcommander]

OK, so I don't know how to post a picture.. but you can't say I didn't try...

[CapnPyro]

*CapnPyro falls off his chair laughing*

Whee... I love it when people link stuff off their harddrive, cracks me up. Go to geocities.com, follow the instructions to setup your own webspace, after you do that click on upload/ftp and you can upload your 'eve2.jpg' picture.

Heh.

-Cap

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