[Frost]

I sometimes feel like ripping my lungs out and scream 'til my head blows up when I read all those threads being posted (mostly by US citizens I might add) with spelling mistakes all over them.

How hard is it to spell "anamation", "consept", or "egyption"? There has been SO MANY spelling mistakes around here lately that I feel I've joined the 'Hooked on Phonics 12-Step Program' forum (sorry, hehe, just trying a bit of humour to lift up the spirits=). Without hurting anyone's feelings, I think that these Americans (who's main communicative language is suppose to be English) should spend a little more time researching the words they constantly use. And just because you always spelled it that way doesn't make it right.

I'm not referring to people who's mother tongues aren't English who live in Oslo, Shanghai, or Timbuktu (no offense, I love you all=) (who usually write English even BETTER than most.)...

Anyway... just ranting because I've been in rant mode for the past 2 weeks or so. Please try to spell those simple words correctly when in public... that way people like me won't have to develop physical anomalies from all the cringing. =))

[SuPeR_DrAwEr]

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[faustgfx]

what he said. i can't stand people who can't

- make the difference between your and you're
- type those ase ure or ure
- type you as u
- use 2 4 b and so forth

i just can't stand those.

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[faustgfx]

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[Bradford]

I have seen a plethora of spelling errors from not only americans, but canadians as well. A lot of the spelling errors may have to do with the fact that many of the users on here are around 14 years of age. I really do not see it as a problem with americans not knowing how to spell in general, but nice try on observing that false fact.


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[Frost]

Brad: hehe, true. =) And I know I make mistakes, and hey, even you make mistakes I'm sure, not mentionning typos. But, those SIMPLE words, like the ones mentioned above... it's just very sad.

Oh, and it's 'Canadians', not 'canadians' -- a little respect please, as you'll notice I have given above. =) -- I'll let it slip this time mister... =)

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[Bradford]

Otay i enderstend. =()
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[FaithInChaos]

stop being so anal. i dont see why its such a big issue, 7h3r3 4r3 /\/\0r3 4n0y1ng 7h1ng5 7h4n b4d gr4mm3r 4n|) m155p3ll3d w0rd5...

[faustgfx]

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[Giant Hamster]

Frostie - "I sometimes feel like ripping my lungs out and scream 'til my head blows up when I read all those threads being posted (mostly by US citizens I might add) with spelling mistakes all over them.

you're not have such grammar so good so u no b talkin u fewl.

REDO: I sometimes feel like ripping out my lungs and screaming, till my head blows-up, when I read these threads filled with spelling mistakes.

K! By3 n0w Lu\/ y@ mUc]-[!! T4-t4!

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[Frost]

Granted my grammar needs work, but English is not my mother tongue.

"In the 18th century the spelling 'till became fashionable, as if till were a shortened form of until. Although 'till is now nonstandard, 'til is sometimes used in this way and is considered acceptable, though it is etymologically incorrect."

(wow, I really got under certain people's skin!)

wel, eye got two go now. sea yeah laytur!

[Brue]

Frost: for all those americans out there, how about you tell them how to spell the words you mentioned above.
What also anoys (sorry) is when people say we or i (canadian) spell words wrong such as colour because up here that is how we spell it, but down there they spell it color. Anyway, just another beef

[Giant Hamster]

heh, my native tounge be dutch, yo! muh choo!

anyways. its all good with me, aslong as i can understand you in one way or another

no moose frost....yup

poo joust!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Bradford]

u & me r 2 kool & l33t 4 the masses!

sorry that lame attempt at the cool hacker talk (if thats what you call it). how did I do?

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[SlightlyTwisted]

Frost, if you're going to bitch about spelling and grammar, the least you could do is set an example worth following. (...language is supposed to be...) Remember, there's always a bigger pedant.

faustgfx, I completely agree with your observation on the your/you're/ure/ur/yor situation. Add to that the inability to distinguish between there, their, and they're. The one that really bugs me, though, is 'prolly'. People run around using that abomination, genuinely thinking it is both the correct spelling and correct pronunciation. PROBABLY! Look it up, people!

Now, I don't claim to be perfect, far from it, even though English (not to be confused with American) is my mother tongue. But my mistakes are the result of years and years of letting my typing go sloppy, whereas a lot of the linguistic errata I see online, from native speakers, seems to be the result of pure ignorance.

If you can't be bothered to learn how to correctly use the language you communicate with every day, you have my pity. Do the world a favour, and invest in a spellchecker.


NOTE: This post was neither accusation nor demand. I'm pointing no fingers, preaching no rules, flaming no innocent bystanders. These thoughts are simply my own opinion, brought about by years on various mailing lists/IRC channels.

[Spitfire]

I really dont think it�s our problem as eurotrash that we speak better english than the americans.

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[strata]

might be that we have to learn it in a diffrent fashion then those that have it as their mother tongue... the strange thing with this arguement would be that people from England speak it perfectly to the note... ah well

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[Nex]

reminds me of that "calling all colorist" thread we had lately in art discussion.

I seemed to be the only one to think it was not a good idea to join a company and work for them if they dont even have the time to check the spelling on their job offers.

if they are so sloppy, what can i expect from them.. will they be able to write my bank account number correctly?

It really freaks me out when I see bad spelling in hospitals too.. I mean-
makes a good impression when the first thing you see on a piece of paper you are handed to fill out are a few big fat spelling errors.
makes you wonder if this hospital really has the professional capacity it should have.

I agree to the above.. if its your mother tongue- learn it.

[billyjay]

Even though I am a huge fan of you, Frost, I disagree with what you have said. The point of language, be it English, Spanish, Japanese, etc. is to communicate. If people have can not spell, at least be glad you understand what they are trying to say.

This is in fact an art forum, not an english forum by the way. If people decide to skip the spell checker to finish up a color version of a sketch, I say amen to that.

I am here for the artwork, and I think most of us are. If we all had to write out our posts in gramatically correct with no mispelled words or usage of slang, there would be a lot less people here.

My advice would be to not fret it Frost, you are a god in this place, not everyone can live up to your artistic talents, and obviously not everyone can live up to your writing standards either. Not everyone can be you, no matter how much we want to be.

That was fun, now off to go write another eight page responce paper for class.

Continue spreading the peace!
BJ

[strata]

a little bit off topic, but I don't trust hospitals one wee bit.

I (accidently (probably spelled wrong ) broke my friends arm, and when we rushed him to the hospital, he had to sit there in a chair for 9 (!) hours before even being looked at, and believe me, there was no rush at this hospital.

An old lady almost died while we were there because they simply forgot about her.

When we get to go into a little room to be seen to, they send in this polish nurse (no offense meant), who hardly spoke a word of swedish, and she asks him where it hurts ( at this point you can see his wrist having turned blue and having a big bone poking out under the skin) so he points to his wrist, whereas she goes: Well let me see here
Then she grabs his wrist and starts twisting his arm around to see if his shoulder is broken (at this point we hear anothet little click), he's yelling and crying like a madman (note that he hasn't recieved any pain supressors), and we're all yelling at her that it's his damned wrist that's fractured.

After a while she shrugs and tells him to go get x-rayed to see where it's broken (at this point he's barely concious because of the pain she inflicted), so we put him on a stretcher. Then they tell us to wait some more.

Me and the other friend that is there go to some nurses office and asks how much longer he has to wait and if he can't get some medicine while he waits since they're just going to x-ray him and not actually ask him where it hurts... she starts blabbering about her having alot of things to do, and oh they are so understaffed and she can't handle everything around here. Whereas we break down and just start yelling the shit out of her (thus getting us reported for violent behavior)

After a while we get him x-rayed and lo and behold there are now two fractures in his wrist.

so all in all we were at the hospital for some fifteen hours out of which he got taken care of for like two or something close to that.

So, no, I don't trust hospitals one bit.

not that that has anything to do with the point of americans not knowing english, but it's a freaky story =)

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[Ivey]

I'm dyslexic. Seriously. I've never been a good speller due to it. I can communicate like any other human being.. I can even speak some french. But I get letters mixed up a lot. Sorry, I'm not perfect. At least I don't fucking butcher the language.

and No... I am not going to spell check everything I post..

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[SlightlyTwisted]

billyjay, I don't see anybody saying that you can't use slang. Even slang needs to be used correctly, though.

Whoever it was that noted eurotrash speak better English... I think this is actually true of a lot of people. Most of the Scandinavians I know, who speak it as a second language, speak better English than many English people I know. I think it has a lot to do with learning it later in life, in a school environment.

Ivey, I know a few dyslexics. Apologies if this is getting under your skin, as it appears to be. Dyslexia is nothing to mock.

Dyslexia isn't really the issue, though. I've got no complaints about your writing, by the way. Dyslexia is a recognised medical condition. What we're discussing here is more along the lines of the ignorant laziness of the average netizen. Again, pointing no fingers, just an observation of the web in general, and so on.

[Frost]

Erm, my beef was on the spelling of small common words. I can live with the occasional its/it's, their/there/they're, etc. in fact, I'm quite sure I mess these up sometimes myself as I'm writing stuff without going over it in my head. But when it comes to spelling mistakes on words commonly used on this board and in this profession such as 'consept art', I would think people would notice and learn. Hey, no biggie. I'm getting old and I'm pretty much bothered by everything. =)

WHERE ARE MY DAMN PILLS!! NURSE!!!!

[Ivey]

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Ivey, I know a few dyslexics. Apologies if this is getting under your skin, as it appears to be. Dyslexia is nothing to mock.

Dyslexia isn't really the issue, though. I've got no complaints about your writing, by the way. Dyslexia is a recognised medical condition. What we're discussing here is more along the lines of the ignorant laziness of the average netizen. Again, pointing no fingers, just an observation of the web in general, and so on.

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I'm not upset ;]. I just wanted to point out that no one's perfect. I have gotten a lot better... I used to type words backwards. Now its mostly with numbers... I have a very hard time with them. You can tell me to write down 2485 and I'll write 8542... because that's the way its processed.

People who butcher the english language bother me though. Is it that they don't know how to pronounce it or they are just lazy? I have friends who talk like that, but they can talk normal too... There are more important aspects to language then spelling.. though spelling is a key one.


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[Enayla]

As much as we might not like it... language changes. It changes because the world changes - and because people change. A language is almost like a living, breathing thing... it adapts to its environments. What we look at now as the bastardisation of a language might be the ?correct? way of using the English tongue some hundred years from now. What WE now see as a more ?correct? English is quite possibly a language that was viewed as uncouth and rough a hundred years back.

American English, for example, is really closer to old English than the British version of the language is. While the Americans clung to their language in a foreign country, a bunch of snotty Englishmen decided that they wanted more difficult spelling because it looked prettier... and the ?fine? British pronunciation is really less ?correct? if you?re going to look at it that way, than the pronunciation many Americans use (this said, I am still more fond of BE than AE).

That aside, it freaks me out to see some of the spelling mistakes that are so common, but it also makes me understand something: Internet is changing the language. It is simplifying it. Removing some ?unnecessary? elements that might have seemed appropriate when we grew up, but seem worthless and useless to the people growing up now. There?s really nothing that can be done about it. We see it happen in the Swedish language as well, where words like ?ocks�? (meaning ?also? and a number of other things) is now often spelled as ?ox�" because that is truly how it is pronounced. All I have to say is: Eeek! I don?t like it. Not one bit. But it?s here, it?s happening, and it?s a change that?s going through not because someone is pushing through it, but because the language develops to better fit our needs.

Ah...gah... it?s 1:30 in the morning and I shouldn?t be talking about this crap...

(mind you, I'm not talking about ALL the spelling mistakes... just some common ones that are appearing everywhere...)

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[Cooter]

Strata- Says something about the so-called great-tax-funded-never-have-to-pay-medical systems the Euro's seem to love so much.

When my brother broke his arm last year, he was seen by a doctor in about half an hour. In a cast in less than one hour. Released in less than two.

Harborview Medical Center, Seattle WA.

This is exactly the reason why when dildo-headed politico's come on the screen and scream about HMO's, Tax funded Medical systems and such I begin to sweat.

You get what you pay for, and when you pay a government for anything you don't get much. Remember that, and you'll be fine.



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[SlightlyTwisted]

It's often said that American English is closer to Old English than British English. It's an interesting theory, but like many interesting theories, it's half true and half utter bollocks.

Neither BE nor AE have remained static over the course of the last couple of centuries. Both of them have evolved away from OE. America's isolation from the source has not caused it to remain frozen in time. Rather, as is always the case with evolution on an isolated island, it has evolved in a different direction, and Australian English, often forgotten when the evolution of the English Language is discussed, evolved in a third, separate direction. Old English is lost somewhere in the middle, between British English, American English, and Australian English.

However, being still located at the source of the Old English, British English, which has evolved, is still significantly closer to the original. It is important to remember that there was not one single dialect that made up Old English as a whole. Like any other language, it had a wide variation of accents, based on both regional location and the social class system. Traces of upper class Old English are still present among the descendants of old wealthy families, and metropolitan areas (including Boston in America), while hints of middle class Old English can be found in industrial cities, such as Manchester, and lower class Old English still has a very strong foothold in rural areas, such as Cornwall. Oooh, aaaar, Oi be goin' ter plough me fields, roight?

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[Giant Hamster]

yes, nor does the GEB, in da EBB, for my UC double A.S.P! gon wit da OBG to da OSE for all the B.I.T..C.H.Es Just fo ME. WraspBerry Ice on a moouseT see, wit my X o B from A to Z.....yeah.....keepin it real....touch my clitoris.

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[Ragnarok]

About hospitals:
Here in Navarra we have one of the best medical attendance in Europe, and I can tell you it's great.
Because when my father had to be operated, he had all the comfort he needed, everybody was kind and he didn't pay more than the rich man or a poor man.

About Language:
I agree with Enayla, language evolves, the problem is that it seems like now language is evolving into a so simple vocabulary and grammar we won't be able of expressing deep emotions and thoughts.
And it's happening everywhere I can think about.