[sanana]

Stop, wait! I did NOT do this image... just to be clear It's an image from a beautifull comic called 'eve protomecha'. I mailed these folks, telling them they are masters and asking if they could reveal some of there coloring tips. The answer was... and I quote...

'f*ck off'.

So now I come to you, can any of you reveal how colors like these are done in the computer? Now I use photoshop like any other goof, but if you're working for print than these original images would be huge would they not? Is there some kind of vector technique to build these images resolution independent?

[Joachim]

it's definitely made with photoshop, and I see no reason why this should be any bigger than any other computer images for printing. If you have an ok pc, you can easily go up to 5000 pxl images, without big framing problems, ..then you should be able print mostly whatever size you want.

I can understand their answer if they felt offended by your question, because there's no "trick" for doing this. You must paint it, and why it looks good is because the colorists know their job and take things like color-composition, shading techniques, etc seriously. No hokus pokus

don't know if liquid did this, but he hangs around on this forum, maybe you can ask him ?

[sanana]

You're right. My question 'phrasing' is questionable. (Great sentence there ey?!).

I think I made them aware of their skill, and my respect for it.

As far as image size goes; The size is not the problem, my wacom and brush size are. My strokes seem angular and large brushes seem to cause photoshop a great deal of problems.

How would you go about keeping the outline in tact? Would that be a 1 bit b/w scan in a seperate layer?

[Sc00p-]

Nah, vectorizing this line art would cause more problems than they're worth. Imagine trying to get your comic to print, and finding a postscript error in one of 30 pages. This type of lineart is much too complex to safely (and cleanly) convert to vector.

Usually they simply scan in the inked art with a nice high-end scanner, at a high resolution, color in photoshop (it's what all the pros use), and print, voila.

I'm really shocked that you would get such a reply from liquid!, I for one know that Christian Lichtner (AKA Liquid! on this forum, and one half of Liquid! the company) is a really nice guy, many of my friends have emailed him with simple questions and they've answered with nothing but kind words. I understand how they might not want to be giving away written tutorials in every email, becuase they get questions like this by the dozens everyday I'm sure, but that response is pretty uncalled for...did you say anything unruly in your email?

[Chapel]

Chris does dislike that question, but I doubt he would be so blunt in an email reply to a fan. Like they said though.. he does hang around here so maybe he will voice his opinion.

This might answer some of your questions: http://www.liquid2k.com/kaiju/tutorial.htm

[ June 25, 2001: Message edited by: Chapel ]

[morphgfx]

hmm... are you sure you mailed liquid? actually they appeared very friendly and helpful to me.

but... you should understand that these guys are earning their money with this and don't want to produce many little "liquids" you know? their style was very original, but more and more people copy them lately... sad enough.

anyway here is a tutorial about color theory and stuff written by them
Liquid Tutorial

-morphgfx

[Motorfish]

This image was probably done at a resolution of 300 to 400 dpi theresabouts. From what I can tell, it was painted in your standard channels selection "Image" coloring style.

The EXACT procedures to do coloring like this can be found from two sources.

One, Radio Comix publishes a book called Mangaphile, where the editor has explained, step by step, the process for preparing and coloring in channels, just like Image does.

Two, Antarctic Press prints a book called "How to Color For Comics", which outlines the same procedures, with the bonus of color illustrations. Either of these publications should answer many of your questions regarding the "Liquid" coloring style.

[ June 26, 2001: Message edited by: Motorfish ]

[sanana]

I did of course exaggerate 'their' response here (It's a great attention grabber - sorry bout that).

I have run into communication problems before. Seems I know the English language but do not understand the way to communicate without offending anyone - you live you learn, eh? (Well, maybe not).

Anyway, Thanx for the links allthough one of them seems to be outdated.

How about that angular wacom brush stroke problem?

I thank you for your kind response

[sanana]

By the way I'm not really into copying style things, I was just inquiring to what ingredients are required to achieve such 'perdy' shading/printing.

Does that make sence?

[kaylon]

Just to clear the mud here...read the thread again all who have posted...it was not Liquid he asked hehehe...however, Liguids name was mentioned in a replay.

Therefore...the nasty replay that was given first by the comic company who DID do the image did not come from Liquid heheh...did all that make sence ?.

Oh..and they do use Photoshop .

Kay.

[Chapel]

quote:

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Originally posted by kaylon:
Just to clear the mud here...read the thread again all who have posted...it was not Liquid he asked hehehe...however, Liguids name was mentioned in a replay.

Therefore...the nasty replay that was given first by the comic company who DID do the image did not come from Liquid heheh...did all that make sence ?.

Oh..and they do use Photoshop .

Kay.

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Liquid was the company that produced this image. Topcow was the publisher. If you go to the protomecha.com website that use to exist (now a forwarding address) and email them then you are simply emailing Liquid.
Also I think this is what we all read..

quote:

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The answer was... and I quote...
'f*ck off'.

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If you are worried about offending people you shouldn't paraphrase when saying "and I quote". Defeats the purpose and it really just ticks folks off.

[ June 25, 2001: Message edited by: Chapel ]

[sanana]

Not very clever of me, apologies.

[MadSamoan]

They possibly could have thought you were being sarcastic with your praise.

[Liquid!]

Dear Niels/SANANA:

I suggest that when you “quote” people that you do it accurately. I recall your email, and also recall quite clearly that I NEVER told you to “F*** off”, and wrote a very polite response to you, even though your response was rude at best. As a matter of fact, I DO NOT respond to people in that manner, even when they clearly misquote and slander me.

As most people on this board know I have made considerable efforts in trying to impart what little artistic knowledge I have, in terms that apply to the picture at large and allow you to still make your own choices. At least, that has always been my goal. Just search the forum for previous posts I have made.

As MorphGfx pointed out, there is a fair amount of “little liquids” out there, which in large part is due to us sharing our techniques. Rather than extrapolate their own interpretations they have chosen to copy us wholesale. While I can’t stop this from happening, I surely refuse to be a party to it.

Best,
Christian Lichtner
Liquid!

PS: As Chapel has mentioned that image is “� 1999-2001 Aron Lusen and Christian Lichtner” not Top Cow. I suggest you do not scan copyrighted material in the future and label it at your own discretion. Please remove the image at once. Thank you.

[ June 25, 2001: Message edited by: Liquid! ]

[Socar MYLES]

Sad...I haven't seen many posts from you lately, Liquid, although I'm always hoping to--I love your colouring work. It's really too bad that you have to waste your time on something like this.

As for the guy who started this... It's a pet peeve of mine, when people say something rude, and then they say 'Oh, but I don't speak too much English, you see?' Well, I've spent time in many a country where I have not spoken much of the language, and I have never managed to 'accidentally' accuse someone of telling me to eff off.

Cut it whatever way you like it--you told a lie, and slandered someone who didn't deserve it. Excuses aren't called for--what's needed here is an apology.

I hate to get involved in arguments, but I really hate to see things like this.

[ June 26, 2001: Message edited by: Socar MYLES ]

[sanana]

You are right, and I am very sorry. Again - apologies.

As far as the English goes, it's not an excuse - I seem to choose my words poorly. Translated in Dutch it doesn't seem so offensive.

I'm very sorry to have wasted your time, let's end this thread here.

[worthless_meat_sack]

This is the kind of thing that when it happens for the 100th time, makes you want to crawl into a hole and stop sharing at all.

I know many will say don't let it wear you down, but it is inevitable that it will eventually.

[sanana]

I was wrong, but you shouldn't be too dramatic about it. There are many asses in the world, I prooved to be one of them. No need for you to stop drawing/painting because of it.

Please end this thread.

[Chapel]

Don't let it wear you down spooge!

Unlike those who have come before sanana I really do think he is sorry. Besides you gotta love the pic he posted now.

Sanana: you should color it!

[sanana]

Thanx dude, and you're right I'm truly sorry.

I'm coloring the duck, but could use some help