[edible snowman]

there have been some good head drawing tutorials but I was wondering if anyone out there had the time or inclination to make one focusing more on head tilted upwards or downwards. I know the one fred did applies to that as well, but I still seem to have trouble with it. If anyone can help thanks in advance.

[Ben Barker]

The ones on anticz.com are great.

[edible snowman]

I know about the ones at anticz, and they're really good. I was hoping someone would have the time to show a couple of examples of heads that are tilted more. Fred drew some great ones, but he didn't show as many finished ones that were tilted as he did when he drew wireframes. If no one has the time, thats fine to.

[Majere]

Yeah I agree - some heads that tile up and down would be really handy in addition to working out the details of the face.... that wasnt covered in Fred's tutorial.

Majere

[Collosimo]

I had a thought, unfortunately I havent got a website so I cant post pictures. I'll try to explain anyway.

try drawing it tilted but as a side on view like this. this line represents the main vertical axis of the head.

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when you draw it in a front on view itt'l just be a strait ine like this

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got it? well maybe not... so here's a link to a site called 'PolyKarbon' that has a tutorial that explains foreshortening. yes yes, I know its how to draw anime, but it actually offers some great advice. here's the link.
www.polykarbon.com/tutorials/foreshort/foreshort.htm

hope that helps.

/COLLOSIMO

[edible snowman]

Collosimo: i think your message was about as helpful as this { and I will now try thi ^. Thanks for trying though, its tough when you have to type it. I dont know what my problem is. I know about the concept of forshortening, and have read about it much earlier than finding polykarbon. I think I do a decent job of drawing the wireframe, as Fred put it in his tutorial. Then I try to go about drawing the actual face and I have all kinds of problems. Things look like they're in the wrong place, they don't look right, and the face in general looks kinda screwed up. Luckily my digital camera is broken so I can easily take pictures and draw from them.

[Collosimo]

oh well I tried.

cant say Ive had any experience drawing at all but oh well.

good luck. BTW could you perhaps reply to my post in this forum.

'How do you represent......?'

THX

/COLLOSIMO

[Jess]

If you're interested in non-digital art.. I have this great book that I recomend to everybody who thinks they can't draw people or who would like to improve on thier portrait drawing skills.

"How to Draw Lifelike Portraits from Photographs" by Lee Hammond

She teaches everything from the fundamentals of shapes formed from correct shading to details... so if you're interested.. I bought it at Dick Blick.

[aquamire]

Edible Snowman, I seem to have the same difficulties as you with tilted heads, but heres something that might help.. try drawing a cube thats tilted first, just to give you an idea of the foreshortening involved. Then go through the process of the golden cross, and all that other mumbo jumbo Fred taught us. Sometimes simplifying things down to a simple cube can help.. oh, and look in a mirror if you can, or even better a web cam (so you dont strain your eyeballs trying to look down at a mirror while your heads tilted, heh). Then divide your head up into the different sections, and you'll see the foreshortening involved. Other advice I can give you, study more on the undercarriage of the head.. or in other words the skeleten. Get a nice reference or anatomy book that shows in detail the skull in 3d.. it might help you to better understand how the jaw looks when tilted up and how the neck is attached and stretched.

Just a few thoughts, hope they might help ya a bit.

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-Aquamire
Soylent Green. It's what's for dinner.

[aquamire]

Edible Snowman, are you trying to add facial features directly to the wireframe? The wireframe of the face that Fred taught us about, is merely a guide.. use it to plot out where to put things, but dont use it to define the facial structure. The face is made of many planes.. a good book from Vanderpoel, or Loomis would be of great help to you I think. I know the book I have, by Vanderpoel ( The Human Figure )teaches you to start drawing the very basics.. starting with the eyes, nose, mouth and ears. Once you have mastered drawing those separately you should learn the structure of the head. Putting the eyes nose and mouth together correctly ( a hard task after drawing them separately ) will result in more a more realistic head. Hmm.. I should probably stop posting here and start following my own advice, eh?

PS, Snowman, what flavour of snow are you?

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-Aquamire
Soylent Green. It's what's for dinner.

[edible snowman]

I'm not trying to draw it directly into the wireframe, frequently I don't draw one at all if I'm more experience with the type of head I'm trying to do. I know a few different ways to plot out where things go on heads (probably not enough) and I fall back on them when it doesn't look right. But that doesn't stop me from messing up between plotting it out and the final version. I wish I had a camera, or some kind of professional modelling agency or something, but unfortunately I'm stuck making stuff up in my head. I think the Bridgeman book I just got might help though... I think I'm just lazy and was looking for a faster way. By the way, no one has yet discerned my flavor, but experts speculate that it may be something similar to ultimate raspberry chocalicious snowcone with peanut butter cups. But my expert is just a random circus monkey that wears a silly hat so I might be wrong.